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Cannabis caused fatal 'stroke' for 23-year old man
07-12-06 | ICSurreyonline | Adrian Pearson

[News Note: Anybody notice a lot of reefer madness coming from across the pond, lately?]

CANNABIS abuse led to the death of a popular sales manager, an inquest heard.

Paul Dumville, known as Paul Kite, of Pound Hill, died after collapsing during a night out in London on May 26.

The 23-year-old had been complaining of headaches for more than a month and on the night he died he had left a nightclub to get some air. Friends found him collapsed on the floor suffering from a fit.

His father Neil Stovell and Paul's girlfriend Emily Lewis listened as Dr Colin Hunter-Craig described to the inquest on Thursday afternoon the cause of death.

He said: "He died of a brain haemorrhage due to cannabis abuse."

"He was a fit and healthy 23-year-old with no hardening of the arteries of the brain."

"In the back of the brain he had a haemorrhage which caused swelling of the brain, but there was no sign of any defects there."

"The cause of death was a haemorrhage due to cannabis abuse."

"We don't understand why it causes this, it just does. It takes about a month for THC (the psychoactive ingredient of cannabis) to build up in that part of the body."

"This is incredibly rare in young people,but in old people we would recognise this as a stroke."

"The fact that people say they only take cannabis every so often does not mean it should be recommended."

West Sussex coroner Dr David Skipp asked Dr Hunter-Craig to explain why the build up would effect Mr Dumville but not other users.

"There is a lot we don't know about this," he said.

"It is rather like running across a deserted country road with your eyes shut. Most of the time you get away with it but I still wouldn't recommend it."

The coroner said: "This may not have been a natural cause but I'm not prepared to say that it was definitely due to cannabis.

"I'm going to record a narrative verdict, and the fact is that Paul Dumville died of a cerebral haemorrhage augmented by the use of cannabis."

Mr Stovell described his son as a hard working young man who was trying to get his new promotions company, Oops, off the ground.

He said: "He was a lovely 23-year-old with lots of friends who liked to go out an enjoy himself.

"He was suffering headaches a lot and we don't know if he went to the doctor about them."

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troublemaker_42

If theres no much they "don't know about" as they admitted in the article, how can they even remotely begin to say it was marijuana that caused the problem? If they cannot understand why this happens, how can they be so certain? Were tests done to check his BAC (blood alcohol content)? Were there any other subbstances in his system at time of death? Or, and I imagine this much is true, did they find thc in his system, and conviently blame the death on that, simply to have a cause? My guess is they were baflled a 23 yr old had a stroke, and when THC was found, they decided it was as good as reason as any to blame the death upon it....despite the fact no one has died as a direct result of smoking marijuana in the thousands of years its been in use?

casketfour

articles like this infuriate me, a person is dead, with no rhyme or reason why. The people in said article ADMIT that they DO NOT know what happened, yet somehow Cannabis is STILL BLAMED.

"There is a lot we don't know about this," he said.

NO SHIT!

"We don't understand why it causes this, it just does. It takes about a month for THC (the psychoactive ingredient of cannabis) to build up in that part of the body."

AWWWW, YOU ALMOST SOUND SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS CANNABIS - yeah right...so, basically what you are saying is that when I used to smoke 4-6 times a day every day for an entire year my brain was storing THC and ANY slight thing that would have been wrong with me would have been AUGMENTED? or are they simply saying migranes? Because I'm pretty sure I can find credible sources that refute this claim.


AND, who the hell ever heard of Cannabis or THC being STORED or BUILT UP in ANY part of the brain?? We all know that it is stored in FAT CELLS - that alone should say something to you. Ya know it's funny to me how something that has NUTRITIONAL VALUE when eaten can cause a stroke in your brain.

Where's the evidence - did they perform an autoposy on the BRAIN MATTER?

Like the previous response said, Was there any thing else in the man's system - Did he Smoke CIGARETTES? if he did then he was probally predisposed to high blood pressure or blocked arteries.

"the fact is that Paul Dumville died of a cerebral haemorrhage augmented by the use of cannabis.""

HOW CAN YOU PROVE THAT CANNABIS AUGMENTED THIS?

sorry, just the way I see things.

Buzzby

The article said it four times, so it must be true!

OTOH, the same coroner who said also said
The fact is that in all of human history there has not been a single death directly attributable to cannabis use. No study has ever demonstrated a link between cannabis use and stroke. These guys are making it up off the top of their heads!

Reefer Madness indeed!

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Tokamak

troublemaker_42: "My guess is they were baflled a 23 yr old had a stroke, and when THC was found, they decided it was as good as reason as any to blame the death upon it..."

I agree. When I had a mysterious pulmonary embolism (blood clot in my lungs) at 21, the local doctors were dumbfounded. Since my urine tested positive for THC metabolites, they automatically assumed that I had smoked pot "laced with something," and placed the blame on that.

What those idiots didn't know was that my cousin grew the only marijuana I'd been smoking for the past 2 months, and he sure as hell wouldn't "lace" it with anything (Why should he? It was hydroponic Kush!). After I recovered enough to go see some real doctors up at Stanford University, they discovered that I had a genetic blood clotting disorder. My parents (equally as dumb as my local docs) asked the Stanford people about the marijuana hypothesis. Naturally, they said marijuana was CERTAINLY NOT the cause.

In this particular article, I think the doctors are just some country simpletons trying to give answers where they have none. England's recent wave of reefer madness has put the "evils of the demon weed" mindset into the public conciousness, and blaming pot is an easy out for doctors who don't want to admit that they aren't omniscient.

Peace.

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the Viper

I would have to guess that there are some negative effects to anything you burn and inhale the smoke from. like cigarettes, MJ, campfires, kerosene heaters, etc. I'd imagine people that burn their garbage really get high doses of bad stuff.

But to say that smoking pot will cause a brain defects? thats silly.you'd think they'd have killed every lab rat they overdosed on the stuff if that were the case. there would be people dropping dead on a per minute basis if that were true.

krad

Yeah, there is a negative affect with anything you smoke. But I don't think that he died from it. I'd say sitting around a campfire for 30 minutes would be pretty damn harmful.

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