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Old 08-17-2006, 03:28 PM   #1
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Rocky Mountain High: Dope Measure on Colorado Ballot
08-16-06 | RollingStone.Com

The nonprofit group SAFER (Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation) is building on its success in de-criminalizing personal pot use in Denver. It announced today that it has gathered enough signatures to place a measure on Colorado’s November ballot that would make it legal for residents 21 and over to posess and use an ounce of marijuana. From the group’s press release:

“The campaign will highlight the hypocrisy of laws that prohibit the use of marijuana while allowing and even encouraging the use of alcohol, an infinitely more harmful drug,” said SAFER Campaign Director Mason Tvert.

“We will be asking Colorado Congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave why she continues to accept so much money from the National Beer Wholesaler’s Association - the primary lobbying arm of the beer, wine and liquor industry - when police in her district attribute its above-average rate of rape there to above-average alcohol consumption.

“And we expect Colorado gubernatorial candidate Bill Ritter to explain why he is publicly opposing this initiative despite the fact that he used marijuana on multiple occasions,” Tvert said. “There is little doubt he would have gone on to become Denver’s district attorney and a frontrunner in the race for Colorado’s highest office had he been arrested and prosecuted for his choice to use marijuana. This just goes to show that many responsible, hard-working people around Colorado can choose to use marijuana - much like many choose to use alcohol - and they are not the drug addicts and deadbeats our opponents would like to have people think.”
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Old 08-17-2006, 05:24 PM   #2
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“And we expect Colorado gubernatorial candidate Bill Ritter to explain why he is publicly opposing this initiative despite the fact that he used marijuana on multiple occasions
Because he needs to appeal to a much broader voter base, and herbalists don't vote....their too stoned......

Why does he oppose the initiative? Same reason....the bigger voting block opposes it. "Save the children", or something like that, the usual battle cry of the antis......
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This just goes to show that many responsible, hard-working people around Colorado can choose to use marijuana - much like many choose to use alcohol - and they are not the drug addicts and deadbeats our opponents would like to have people think.”
Plus, they are some rich, money, movie star, ( did I mention money? ), herb smoking kinda people.....easy to get the signatures on the voter petition I bet......

( Have you ever tried to get those signatures? Man, those things are a bitch to get, especially if it's sunny and cold......... )

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“The campaign will highlight the hypocrisy of laws that prohibit the use of marijuana while allowing and even encouraging the use of alcohol, an infinitely more harmful drug,” said SAFER Campaign Director Mason Tvert.
Do our laws encourage the use of alcohol?
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“We will be asking Colorado Congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave why she continues to accept so much money from the National Beer Wholesaler’s Association - the primary lobbying arm of the beer, wine and liquor industry - when police in her district attribute its above-average rate of rape there to above-average alcohol consumption.
Maybe she accepts so much money in campaign funding from the alcohol industry because it's the major industry in her state?

It always helps if both sides get their facts right, huh.....


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Old 08-17-2006, 11:01 PM   #3
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I signed ths petiton. I know we have to start somewhere (medicinal use), but will this really make a difference with the federal laws......
If yor're from Colo. make sure you are registered and hope to see you on voting day.
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Old 08-18-2006, 02:25 AM   #4
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I know we have to start somewhere (medicinal use), but will this really make a difference with the federal laws......
The Colorado initiative has nothing to do with medical use. It outright legalizes the possession of an ounce of marijuana for all adults.

It will obviously not change federal laws but it puts federal drug law enforcement in a difficult position. The DEA has limited personnel and limited funds. Dealing with whole states full of legal recreational marijuana users will tie up the whole agency. There is no way that they can effectively enforce federal possession laws.

Each state that establishes medical and recreational legalization brings us that much closer to our goal. When the states that legalize do not prove to become hotbeds of violence, unemployment, and mental illness, that evidence challenges the lies of the prohibitionists.

Twenty years ago, very few states had shall-issue (if you qualify you get a permit) concealed carry of handguns. If you could get a permit at all, it was at the discretion of some public official. Florida had a very high murder rate and instituted shall-issue concealed carry. Contrary to the dire warnings of the anti-gun crowd, murder rates went down every year and there wasn't blood running in the streets. Soon, other states followed suit with the same kind of results. Now, all but two states have shall-issue concealed carry.

I think we can expect a similar situation as states legalize marijuana for medical and recreational purposes. Do you think federal marijuana laws will be able to hold up under that kind of onslaught?
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Old 08-18-2006, 03:11 AM   #5
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Twenty years ago, very few states had shall-issue (if you qualify you get a permit) concealed carry of handguns. If you could get a permit at all, it was at the discretion of some public official. Florida had a very high murder rate and instituted shall-issue concealed carry. Contrary to the dire warnings of the anti-gun crowd, murder rates went down every year and there wasn't blood running in the streets. Soon, other states followed suit with the same kind of results. Now, all but two states have shall-issue concealed carry.

I think we can expect a similar situation as states legalize marijuana for medical and recreational purposes. Do you think federal marijuana laws will be able to hold up under that kind of onslaught?
Twenty years ago, you could go to prison in most states for possesion of a joint. Now it's a fine.

Federal law hasn't been able to hold up under that kind of onslaught. It's a schedule one drug for christ's sake. Do you think a state could make possesion of heroin a simple misdemeanor with a small fine and the Feds would do nothing? Would the people accept it?

Commonsense is stepping into our legal system methinks.....

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Old 08-18-2006, 04:28 AM   #6
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Didn't mean to say this was for medical use.
Just saying that was a first step, this is the 2nd., but I hear ya.
I've talked to a couple of friends who didn't know about this or were even registered. So... make sure your friends are aware and get them to vote.
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Old 08-18-2006, 05:02 AM   #7
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Plus, they are some rich, money, movie star, ( did I mention money? ), herb smoking kinda people.....easy to get the signatures on the voter petition I bet......
Not the majority of folks. I lived there for 10 years.

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Maybe she accepts so much money in campaign funding from the alcohol industry because it's the major industry in her state?

It always helps if both sides get their facts right, huh.....
Learn YOUR facts. Tourism is the #1 industry of Colorado, not alcohol.
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I don't think, now correct me if I'm wrong, don't contribute to political campaigns of the states they tour.

So that kinda puts something else on the top, huh?

No offense to the normal Coloradans like the rest of us....I know your out there, folks.....


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Do our laws encourage the use of alcohol?

In a word, yes. Its legal, its available everywhere, its cheap, and society accecpts it. Our laws promote it simply by the process of elimination. People, at least some of them, enjoy the sensations that come with intoxication. When you have one intoxicant thats legal, amid several that are not, is that not somewhat promoting its use? The law is saying "go ahead, get drunk on this, and as long as you don't drive or commit other crimes, we'll leave you alone." Where, if you chose any of the other commonly known mind-alering substances, you will be arrested for merely possessing them, or, in some areas, even having metabolites of them in your urine several days AFTER you injested them. Even the items used in their injestion are themselves another crime(if alcohol were illegal, would bottleopeners and taps suddenly be considered drug paraphenilia? ). By allowing one to be illegal, amid others that are, in some cases, generally less harmful, is it not somewhat a promotion of that substance?
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Not the majority of folks. I lived there for 10 years.


Learn YOUR facts. Tourism is the #1 industry of Colorado, not alcohol.
If you didnt have "big industrys/money/products in demand" you wouldn't have tourism.

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