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Buzzby

I refuse to jump on the bandwagon and blame drugs for what people do to themselves. It makes as much sense to me as blaming guns for people shooting each other.

I myself, and many people I know, have tried just about every drug on the forbidden list, including methamphetamine. None of us have become drug addicts, none of us have abandoned our responsibilities. The only way a drug can "steal your soul" is if you're ignorant of it's properties and/or have no self-control. The only way a drug can "steal your soul" is if you give it away. It's relatively easy to quit when you are first becoming addicted. If you don't take control at that point, you have only yourself to blame.

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FunkySkunky

I think 47 years is quite much, frankly. Sure meth is a pretty awful drug but like Buzzby and others have brought up, did those people have to buy the meth? Did that person have to shoot the gun? Drugs are just a scapegoat.

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troublemaker_42

If it were that simple, I might side with you buzzby. However, addictions suck. Not everyone IS as educated about its effects on properties as we are. Some people, and I'm not defending the practice, start using drugs with little or no research into them. They don't know about addictions, or what drugs are likely to lead to hardcore addictions. They creep on people, and oftentimes, one is an addict before he/she even knows it. Its easy, especially for younger people, to get wrapped up in the feeling of invincibility and not take stock of certain issues until its too late. No one I know ever said "I want to be a meth addict by next year" yet, in that time span, I watched meth eat many people alive, or at the very least, send them to prison, either for mere possession, or, more often crimes related to their need for meth, or committed under its influence. Its easy to say "They should have known better" but the simple fact is that many people are blissfully unaware of the depth of their addiction, until one day they can't score a bag or can't afford it anymore. By the time they realize whats happened, the addiction has control. Meth has, statistically, had one of the highest relapse rates of any drug. Its incredibly hard to quit, and quit for good. After living through the meth scene here, and seeing what it has done to people, to communities, to entire regions of the US, I simply have no use for it, and other than scripts for a doc, I don't believe it has any use in society. I was lucky. I did meth a handful of times myself. It simply wasn't my thing, thank God, or otherwise I'd probably be chasiung stars I thought were following me (yes,paranoid meth delusions are no joke) aabusing/neglecting my family, or sitting in prison. I've seen VERY few people manage to "recreationally" use meth. I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, but quite frankly, I just haven't seen it happen very often. Nothing will change my views on meth, short of finding out something else entirely was responsible for the vast amount of problems attributed to it. I'm glad you didn't become a hopeless tweeker Buzzby, but our own experiences don't outweigh the thousands of people who CAN'T control their use of the drug. I know lots of peole who used meth once or twice and walked away. However, I know many more who have been destroyed in one fashiop or another by their addictions.

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Buzzby

TM, I'm confused. You seem to be adamantly in favor of adults being able to determine their own paths in most things, but you draw the line at methamphetamine. Tobacco is far more addictive and kills 90 times as many people every year. Would you suggest that the guy at the Convenient store who sold someone a pack of smokes should spend 47 years behind bars?

troublemaker_42

I've never seen someone go nuts in 6 months from smoking cigarettes. meth might not kill as many as tobacco, but it does so with an intensity unmatched by any drug I've had any measureable degree of exerpience with. Ever seen the "Faces of Meth" commericals? I've seen it do just as much damage to people around here, in an amzingly short period of time. Tobacco kills more people than meth for the simple reason it IS legal and easily accessible, and thusly, more people find it socially accecptable. If meth were as easy to obtain as cigarettes, and a similiar number of people used both meth and cigs, I'm betting the death rate among the meth users would equal or greatly surpass those of the cig smokers. Its silly to compare the two when there are millions more tobacco smokers outy there than meth users. Quite frankly, I have no use for the legal drugs alcohol and tobacco. Along with meth, I despise those two substances with all my heart. I've never seen anything dramatically positive about any of the three. I'd venture to say they do far more harm in society than good. I'm not asking you to agree, just stating my opinion. I don't think the world would suffer a horrible demise if meth, tobacco, and alcohol disappeared off the face of the earth. I may seem like a hypocrit for that opinion while I choose to use other drugs. I can live with that. I have my reasons to despise meth and the culture that comes with it, and resent both alcohol and tobacco because of personal struggles with them, along with the incredible burden to society caused by these substances.

 

disheartenedwamerica

I don't think that should be relevant. In reality, in terms of "justice" the American "justice" is never really justice. It is perhaps a sad attempt to make extreme restitution on behalf of one party. Put yourselves in his place RIGHT NOW, he is going to spend nearly HALF a century in a cage. We don't put murderers, child molesters, or rapists away for that long. I'm not saying I support meth, because I don't. It is a truely vile, evil drug. But, what I am saying, is that we need to show some compassion. There is no justifiable way to say, "you belong in a 12'x12' cage for the next 50 years, hope you enjoy your stay" and all because he supplied a substance. I mean FFS, if he was selling moonshine or prescription narcotics, Both of which can be just as dangerous as meth, he wouldn't get nearly 50 years.... and this is why I am disheartened with america. There is no justice. Just a pathetic attempt to satisfy a few people. Who gets to decide for the 100's of millions of Americans what is "right" or "wrong".

It is extremely frustrating to see the conclusions people can jump to about what they would like done to someone. Please remember before you rush to strip someone of their life, liberty, and their pursuit of happiness, that if you really think they should have a "punishment" think from an open-minded, realistic, and non-condemning nature. You claim what would you do If he hurt your family. I have a question for you. What if this was your son, or your daughter, or your wife or husband? Would you still rush to condemn them to the same 50 years in a cage, or would that be too much for "them".

Sorry for the long rant but there really is no justice anymore and it is sick and disgusting. Sorry if I sound rude, not trying to be, just so overly frustrated with how complicated life can be.

reggie_the_dog

This guy deserves no jail. Selling drugs to adults is not wrong. Meth can be much less bad for humans if it is made properly with no impurities. This would happen were it legal. Legalize all drugs and the health of drug users will improve. Also most people would not do meth if cocaine were much more affordable or available.

reggie_the_dog

What should be illegal about selling "misery"??? Meth is a luxury. People make millions selling drinking water. Which thing to people need??? Drinking water or drugs??? People that sell drugs only sell entertainment, they do not sell essentials, like health care, water or food. Tobacco companies also legally sell 'misery" as do alcohol companies.

troublemaker_42

Actually I believe meths nureotoxicity is revalent no matter how it was manufactured. The drug itself is nuerotoxic in and of itself. Not all the problems with meth are directly a result of the manufacturing process