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Old 07-23-2007, 08:16 AM   #1
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Default UK: Debunked - politicians' excuse that cannabis has become stronger

Debunked - politicians' excuse that cannabis has become stronger
7-23-'07 | The Independent | by Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor

In a week in which Gordon Brown signalled a toughening of the law on cannabis and Labour MPs queued up to confess to smoking dope in their youth - a dozen cabinet ministers at the last count - there has been a widespread assumption bandied about that the country is in the grip of an epidemic of cannabis-induced psychosis.

But there is no evidence that cannabis poses a greater threat to health today than it did 30 years ago, and reports that stronger forms of the drug, called skunk, have 25 times the potency are wildly exaggerated. The joint, symbol of peace and love in the 1960s, has become a totem of degenerate Britain - increasingly linked with mental breakdown and axe-wielding maniacs.

The Prime Minister, who has ordered the second review of the classification of cannabis in two years, is said by insiders to want to reverse the decision of the former home secretary, David Blunkett, who downgraded the drug from class B to class C in 2004.

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which examined the issue 18 months ago, will be asked to do so again. It concluded in its report in December 2005 that the strength of cannabis resin (hash) had changed little over 30 years and was about 5 per cent tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Skunk, it found was 10 to 15 per cent THC - two to three times as strong, not 25 times.

Professor Leslie Iversen, a pharmacologist at Oxford University, said the widespread belief that skunk was 20 to 30 times as powerful was "simply not true".

The biggest change over recent decades has been in the strength of indoor-cultivated herbal cannabis, but even this has only doubled to 12 to 14 per cent THC. Although exceptionally strong skunk can be found on the market in Britain, it always has been available, according to reports from the UN Drug Control Programme.

On the question of psychosis, the advisory council was clear. Cannabis use may worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and lead to a relapse in some patients. But on causation, it said: "The evidence suggests, at worst, that using cannabis increases the lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia by 1 per cent."

It added that more than three million people were estimated to have used cannabis in the previous year, but "very few will ever develop this distressing and disabling condition".

Scientists led by Professor Murray, at the Institute of Psychiatry, have argued that cannabis smoking can trigger psychosis in vulnerable individuals. A key worry is that young people are starting to smoke the drug earlier, in their mid-teens, when their brains are more vulnerable.

But experts led by Professor David Nutt, a specialist in addiction psychiatry at the University of Bristol, said in The Lancet in March that a causal link had not been established. Even if it were, cannabis could account for at most 7 per cent of cases of schizophrenia, he said.

One difficulty is distinguishing an association from a cause. Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane, the mental health charity, was quoted as saying evidence of the damaging effects of cannabis was mounting, with psychiatrists claiming "80 per cent of patients have been using cannabis". Cannabis use is widespread among mental patients, but their attempt to self-medicate tends to be a symptom of their suffering, not the cause.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:35 PM   #2
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Debunked - politicians' excuse that cannabis has become stronger
7-23-'07 | The Independent | by Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor

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The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which examined the issue 18 months ago, will be asked to do so again. It concluded in its report in December 2005 that the strength of cannabis resin (hash) had changed little over 30 years and was about 5 per cent tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Skunk, it found was 10 to 15 per cent THC - two to three times as strong, not 25 times.

Professor Leslie Iversen, a pharmacologist at Oxford University, said the widespread belief that skunk was 20 to 30 times as powerful was "simply not true".

The biggest change over recent decades has been in the strength of indoor-cultivated herbal cannabis, but even this has only doubled to 12 to 14 per cent THC. Although exceptionally strong skunk can be found on the market in Britain, it always has been available, according to reports from the UN Drug Control Programme.
Why aren't these credible sources listened to. In addition the difference in thc strength could be attributable to some thing as simple as having less leaves mixed in with the bud.


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On the question of psychosis, the advisory council was clear. Cannabis use may worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and lead to a relapse in some patients.
You call this clear?? No!! Clear would be Cannibus will worsen symptoms. I suggest everyone with schizophrenia not smoke cannibus.

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But on causation, it said: "The evidence suggests, at worst, that using cannabis increases the lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia by 1 per cent."

It added that more than three million people were estimated to have used cannabis in the previous year, but "very few will ever develop this distressing and disabling condition".
But is an eraser. The previous statement just got wiped out. This is what they really wanted to say. I understand thier reluctance. I read the article from the woman who wrote a book about how cannibus caused her son to commit suicide. He told her when he smoked he didn't hear the voices. I think that 'may' have been a clue something else was wrong with the boy. I am sorry for her loss. Blaming cannibus will not bring him back.

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Scientists led by Professor Murray, at the Institute of Psychiatry, have argued that cannabis smoking can trigger psychosis in vulnerable individuals. A key worry is that young people are starting to smoke the drug earlier, in their mid-teens, when their brains are more vulnerable.
I don't know anyone that is advocating cannibus use for young people. The psychosis is already there, why isn't it being addressed. How big a percentage of the population are we talking about anyway. How many of these vulnerable individuals are there??

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But experts led by Professor David Nutt, a specialist in addiction psychiatry at the University of Bristol, said in The Lancet in March that a causal link had not been established. Even if it were, cannabis could account for at most 7 per cent of cases of schizophrenia, he said.
At most 7% of schizophrenia cases. Put these two together and you have a clear argument for legalize and tax. Kids can buy cannibus easier than beer and cigarettes because there isn't a drug dealer that asks for ID.

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One difficulty is distinguishing an association from a cause. Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane, the mental health charity, was quoted as saying evidence of the damaging effects of cannabis was mounting, with psychiatrists claiming "80 per cent of patients have been using cannabis".
So I guess this scientest would say water should be banned. 100% of patients have been using that, they have all been breathing air as well, and using toilets. My gosh, the list goes on and on. A scientest would not call this evidence. Maybe one of the difficulties is there isn't any evidence. So lets humour her and pretend, I know its a stretch, there is some link. What is the damage she is talking about?? They hear three voices instead of 2?? The major share of them will still be 'street people'. There isn't much care, and they don't like the meds. Its a sad cycle. Blaming cannibus will not make them less 'vulnerable'.
Cannabis use is widespread among mental patients, but their attempt to self-medicate tends to be a symptom of their suffering, not the cause.[/quote]

You could make the argument that in the interest of early diagnosis of 'vulnerable' people all young people will be given cannibus at a certain age. This will trigger thier psychosis and allow for early identification and treatment, saving a lot of time sitting around waiting.

You could also make the argument that she is being very self serving. I won't but I could. VV
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Coming from England myself i will be very upset if it is re-classified into Group B. Come on Gordon Brown, it seems a lot of your own cabinet has done it! No doubt you have experienced people doing it and possibly yourself, you've seen the effects now stop this nonsense and at the very least forget about reclassication and at most admit to have done it yourself or have seen others doing it.
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I'm sure GB has more important things than this to focus on.
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ok... what if it is 25 times stronger?

so I can smoke 1/25th as much material and get the same high? sweeeet

everyone with some sense knows a smoker will toker however much it takes to get the high he/she wants
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ok... what if it is 25 times stronger?
If old pot was 5% THC and the new pot is 25 times stronger, it would be 125% THC. AFAIK, that's physically impossible.
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Since Gordon Brown has taken the post of Prime Minister, his speeches and press releases all meander along the theme of 'change'. His reevaluation of cannabis' status within the criminal classing system he hopes will in some way publicly ratify his intention to distance himself from the previous Labour government in regards to their decriminalisation of cannabis.

David Blunkett (Home Secretary) in 2004 decided to decriminalise cannabis to a 'Class C drug' in relation to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. Since then, whenever New Labour have desperately needed some spin, they've pounced upon this issue: as was so during its decriminalisation and later when Charles Clark (Home Secretary subsequent to David Blunkett) made the same noises we're hearing now by bringing the 'cannabis and schizophrenia link' to the fore in his correspondences.

Not only is this beginning to look like a game of musical chairs, Brown is recycling the words of previous Home Secretaries as part of his campaign for change...and Britain cringes.
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