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Old 07-30-2007, 11:29 PM   #11
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You're "the Liberal" here?
I never put that label on myself. Politically and philosophically I'm more of a Libertarian. I'm "the Rationalist" here. I try to deal with what is and how to get from there to how I want it to be. I try to leave hyperbolic rhetoric and name-calling to the other side.

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The DEA could focus on real drugs but they don't. The point is so big perhaps it's hard to grasp.

All they care about in the end is marijuana. That's where the ideology is, that's where the money is.
The DEA is a big bureaucracy that is focused on it's own continuation and growth. That's the nature of bureaucracies. Marijuana is simply a means to that end. There are a lot more marijuana users than heroin addicts, marijuana is shipped in tons, not kilos, and agents are a lot less likely to encounter violent resistance from pot people.

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I am thrilled they are keeping the killing to a minimum but they are still seething fascists who should be totally de-funded, disbanded and absorbed into the TSA or Sky Marshalls or just laid off, period.
I'm no fan of the DEA. I just don't see the point in calling it's agents "fascists" and "stormtroopers". That's at the same level as their calling us "insurgents" and makes us less credible. Raving about the DEA is like blaming the gun if you get shot. The DEA is just a tool for enforcing unjust laws. I prefer to focus on changing the unjust laws. You said that
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the Drug Czar and the DEA resort to aggressive paramilitary posturing to interfere with an entirely legal, extremely AMERICAN endeavor.
I say that the DEA is enforcing unjust laws but is not directly involved in attempting to squelch protest or reform efforts.

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This "supremacy of Federal Law" bullshit is NOT about anything but exceeding federal power as limited by the Constitution.
Not according to the United States Supreme Court, the final arbiter of what's constitutional and what's not.

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Yeah. The PEOPLE PETITIONED THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND PASSED PROP 215.
If the State of California repealed the law that makes it illegal to rob banks, would you expect the FBI to ignore bank robberies in California.

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As far as the fear "not being warranted", either you live out west, where things are better than here in the Reefer Mad South and or you have never had the pleasure of being arrested.
I live in Ohio. I have been arrested, convicted, and jailed for marijuana possession. That's one reason why I became an activist, to prevent other people from having to go through what I did.

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There's PLENTY to fear.

Ask Ed Rosenthal.
He was busted for growing marijuana, not for voicing dissent. If you break the law, you most definitely have something to fear from law enforcement. If your dissent rises to the level of civil disobedience, then you are subject to the same penalties as anyone else breaking a law.

You seem to be trying to scare people away from voicing dissent by telling them that the Big Bad DEA will come and take them away over it. I'm pretty sure that makes you a terrorist!

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No jihad against cultural Icons?
Not for voicing dissent. They love to bust cultural icons who break the law because it will serve as more of a deterrent to ordinary people who might consider breaking the same law.

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I think you're just a tad wrong.
I'm wrong 2% of the time. I'm not wrong about this.

We need to make a distinction between protest, dissent, and petitioning for the redress of grievances that falls on the right side of the law and illegal acts that might be construed as protest and/or dissent. I have been an activist for more than 30 years and have never been hassled by LE. I'm very careful not to break any laws with serious criminal penalties.
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:23 PM   #12
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You aren't a liberal.

Apologies.

The pic of the Dali Lama threw me.

He's a liberal.

I'll let you have the last word here, because I'm done with this issue. This won't get solved here

I want to encourage readers to consider branching out to other sites rather than just preaching to the choir here. It's what I am doing at Daily Kos, Smirking Chip, Diatribure(where apparently I am preaching to another choir but they BUZZ ME and DIGG ME and such).

This helps spread the word more than chatting away on a site 2/3 of these people are afraid to come (for whatever silly reason).

Perhaps the more right-leaning folks here can carry the message to the rightwing blogs, since that's still the flavor here at Marijuana.com.

You have the talent, Buzzby - why not write something from your own perspective and post it elsewhere and see what happens? I'll post it at GreenState Project if you wish.

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