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Old 09-26-2007, 05:16 PM   #1
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Default CA: Gray Areas: Conflicting Laws Lead To Arrests

Gray Areas: Conflicting Laws Lead To Arrests
09-25-07|Daily Bulletin|By Will Bigham

In some parts of the state, use of the drug is readily accepted by local governments and police departments, with dispensaries and doctors specializing in marijuana openly advertising their businesses.

Such is not the case in the Inland Empire, where medical- marijuana users, dispensers and growers generally face hostile local governments and police departments.

In San Bernardino County, sheriff's deputies are instructed to arrest medical-marijuana users for possession even if they produce a state-sanctioned ID card proving their status as a medical user.

Medical-marijuana dispensaries that have opened without the blessings of local governments have been raided, sued and faced with ordinances barring them from those communities.

Much of the chaos surrounding medical marijuana in the Inland Empire results from ambiguous state laws, conflicts between state and federal law, and the relative newness of the program.

Following federal law

Although the laws governing the medical use of marijuana were passed at the state level, they are largely implemented and enforced at the county level.

Among local counties, San Bernardino County has the worst record in dealing with medical marijuana, activists say.

"I have heard numerous stories about tough cops in San Bernardino County," said Dale Gieringer, director of the California branch of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

"People commonly hear that story from the cops: `I'm going to arrest you and let the courts sort it out. We enforce federal law here."'

The federal government recognizes no medical use for marijuana and does not acknowledge California's medical-marijuana program.

Senate Bill 420, passed in 2003, established a state system that requires county health departments to issue ID cards to those authorized to use marijuana for medical reasons. Los Angeles and Riverside counties have set up their systems; San Bernardino County has not.

The system was designed to prevent medical-marijuana users from being arrested.

San Bernardino County does not recognize cards issued by neighboring counties, and sheriff's deputies arrest medical marijuana users who would not be arrested in Los Angeles or Riverside counties.

"The sheriff believes that marijuana is illegal," said Cindy Beavers, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. "There is a federal law that prohibits the manufacturing, sale or use of marijuana, and he does not allow his deputies to accept the medical-marijuana cards."

Lanny Swerdlow, director of the Marijuana Anti-Prohibition Project, was an early advocate for medical marijuana. The Palm Springs resident is particularly knowledgable about medical marijuana in San Bernardino and Riverside counties.

San Bernardino County was ready to issue medical-marijuana ID cards in early 2006, Swerdlow said, but the effort was halted by the Board of Supervisors when the county joined San Diego County's lawsuit against the state, filed because of the medical-marijuana program's conflict with federal law.

Patients arrested in San Bernardino County who have a doctor's recommendation are able to present evidence of that in court, said San Bernardino County Deputy District Attorney Michael Abacherli.

"As long as they have a doctor's medical recommendation, we do not prosecute those cases, because they are excepted," he said. "However, if the recommendations are not in proper form, or they have more than the allowed amount, then we do (prosecute)."

The county's Probation Department takes the position that anyone on probation cannot legally possess marijuana even if they have a doctor's recommendation.

Dispensaries face resistance

Medical-marijuana users can legally grow marijuana for their own use, but setting up such an operation takes space, time and money that many users do not have.

Most depend on other sources. The most common are medical-marijuana dispensaries, which provide products to users who have a doctor's recommendation.

Until about two years ago, there were no dispensaries in the Inland Empire.

When they started arriving - in Claremont, Pomona, Norco and Corona - they were met with immediate resistance from local governments.

In those four cases, the dispensaries initially approached cities, seeking business licenses and were turned away. They were told that no regulations were in place allowing that type of business.

"They come and apply for a business license and try to do the right thing, and the city doesn't allow them to," Swerdlow said.

Thinking they had state law on their side, the dispensaries opened anyway. All four now are mired in legal battles with the cities in which they opened.

The Claremont and Norco dispensaries are closed pending the outcome of court cases. The dispensary in Corona was raided and shut down in July by federal authorities. And the operator of Pomona's dispensary, Dave Touhey, was arrested in June during a raid of his dispensary.

As the legal issues hit front pages last year, most local cities passed bans and moratoriums on dispensaries, effectively blocking any possibility of others opening in the area. Most recently - just last week- the Norco City Council approved an outright ban on medical-marijuana dispensaries in that city.

The exceptions are Diamond Bar, which allows one dispensary, and Claremont, which in July gave initial approval for a dispensary to open in the city.

Abacherli said many of those who run dispensaries claim to be doing so out of compassion. A closer examination of their finances indicates that's not the only reason, he said.

"A lot of these people are profiting off of ill people," he said. "We're after the people who are taking advantage of those people, or taking advantage of the laws as they stand on the books right now."

Ambiguity creates problems

In discussing the state's medical-marijuana program, activists, police and government officials can usually agree on only one thing: The state's medical marijuana laws are poorly written.

Proposition 215, approved by voters in 1996, stated in general terms that people who have a medical need for the drug can use it legally. The full text of the law runs less than 400 words.

State officials quickly learned that the brevity of the law was problematic for medical- marijuana users and police, who in the absence of clear direction from the state were clashing over the most basic rights of medical- marijuana users.

A law designed to clarify the proposition, Senate Bill 420, was passed in 2003. It clarified the amount of marijuana a person can possess for medical purposes, and set guidelines for an ID-card program.

But much was still missing: guidelines for the operation of dispensaries, and rules for cultivating the drug in large quantities for medical purposes.

The ambiguity has allowed cities and counties to selectively enforce the guidelines of the program, medical-marijuana activists say.

The dispute is made worse by the state law's conflict with federal law, which is often cited by local governments needing a reason to crack down on medical marijuana.

"We believe that the law is poorly written," said San Bernardino County sheriff's Lt. Greg Garland, head of the department's Narcotics Bureau. "It makes it very unclear what's legal and what's not legal.

"For people who are trying to work within the parameters of what the state is trying to do for the citizens, it doesn't give them enough direction on how to legally obtain and use marijuana.

"On our side of the fence (police), it doesn't specifically state how we determine if somebody is making a profit. How do we show that they are or they aren't?"

One apparent casualty of the law's ambiguity is Paul Shaw, arrested in May along with two other men in connection with a warehouse in Azusa that was filled with marijuana plants.

In a jailhouse interview shortly after his arrest, Shaw said the marijuana was being grown strictly for medical purposes. It was sold and sometimes given away to only dispensary operators, individual users and caretakers.

Darrell Kruse, former operator of a dispensary in Claremont, said he once purchased marijuana from Shaw's warehouse.

Shaw and the other men running the grow operation believed that because the marijuana was being distributed only to medical users, they were legally permitted to grow it.

But because S.B. 420 does not directly address the limits that can be placed on growing medical marijuana, Shaw is facing felony cultivation charges.

Activists say that for dispensaries, there are few other viable alternatives to acquire marijuana, making a large-scale grow operation a natural development in the still-young medical marijuana industry.

"There is no such thing as a legal grow house, so of course medical-marijuana dispensaries are getting their marijuana from illegal sources," said Swerdlow. "The government is creating the problem."
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Activists say that for dispensaries, there are few other viable alternatives to acquire marijuana, making a large-scale grow operation a natural development in the still-young medical marijuana industry.

"There is no such thing as a legal grow house, so of course medical-marijuana dispensaries are getting their marijuana from illegal sources," said Swerdlow. "The government is creating the problem."
A large-scale grow op doesn't have to be run by criminals out to make big bucks. What ever happened to the patient owned and operated collectives/co-ops that were the original alternative to for-profit dispensaries and illegal growers? Rather than spend $400 for an ounce of weed, I'd much rather contribute $400 and some labor to support the collective's grow-op and get a year's supply. For patients too disabled to contribute labor, that requirement would be waived.
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A large-scale grow op doesn't have to be run by criminals out to make big bucks. What ever happened to the patient owned and operated collectives/co-ops that were the original alternative to for-profit dispensaries and illegal growers? Rather than spend $400 for an ounce of weed, I'd much rather contribute $400 and some labor to support the collective's grow-op and get a year's supply. For patients too disabled to contribute labor, that requirement would be waived.
Hmph - I hadn't thought about that....

How would, or could, something like that be administered?
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A large-scale grow op doesn't have to be run by criminals out to make big bucks. What ever happened to the patient owned and operated collectives/co-ops that were the original alternative to for-profit dispensaries and illegal growers? Rather than spend $400 for an ounce of weed, I'd much rather contribute $400 and some labor to support the collective's grow-op and get a year's supply. For patients too disabled to contribute labor, that requirement would be waived.
They're talking about federal criminals. Of course in our minds they are doing what is perfectly legal, in the governments mind they are criminals. Which means they are getting it from "illegal" sources.
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Hmph - I hadn't thought about that....

How would, or could, something like that be administered?
I'm a member of a food co-op. Members get 10% off the marked prices on all products on the shelves. In return, I paid a one-time membership fee to capitalize the operation and contribute a few hours a month stocking shelves and cleaning up. The only paid staff is the cashiers.

A medical marijuana co-op would work the same way: you put in a little money to cover start-up expenses, you do an occasional labor assignment, and you pay just enough more than the cost of production and marketing to pay for expendables, growth, and any paid employees. An expert grower would either coordinate the operation out of the goodness of his heart or get paid to do it.

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No. They're talking about for-profit growers. They're breaking both federal and state laws: cultivating, maintaining a place to grow, possession for sale, distribution, sales.

The only people who can legally grow marijuana in the State of California are those with medical marijuana recommendations from their doctors or their designated caregivers. A co-op would be a little of both.

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Of course in our minds they are doing what is perfectly legal, in the governments mind they are criminals.
I never considered the unsanctioned growing of marijuana to be "legal" - because it's not. I don't consider it to be immoral, although the prices being charged could be considered unethical. The federal government considers all marijuana growers to be criminals, except the federal pot farm. The government of the State of California considers marijuana growers to be criminals only if they aren't caregivers, if they're growing more than caregivers are allowed per patient, or they are making a profit.
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"A lot of these people are profiting off of ill people," he said. "We're after the people who are taking advantage of those people, or taking advantage of the laws as they stand on the books right now."

Thats true. The health care industry and the drug companies make so much money off of ill people it makes you sick. Ad after ad after ad, 'ask your doctor if........is right for you. You may experience........ Now lets play some relaxing music. and make visiting a doctor, buying whatever the new drug of the month is 'the right thing to do,go down a few budweisers, but do it responsible. Other than the fact that drug companies are not getting all the money in the world, show me the harm to the 'ill' people. Prescription drugs kill people, both licit and illicit.
According to Philip Emafo, head of the Internation Narcotics Board they are still second to Marijuana in use, but they kill people. Your time would be better spent worrying about 'them' instead of us. Oh yeah, I forgot , you don't get to use 'shock and awe' have your picture on the evening news busting down a door, when your raiding Meth Labs, the lab might blow up and those folks might shoot back.
If you have time left over you might want to campaign against alcohol use by women, which an article in the Lansing State Journal, says will raise thier risk of getting breast cancer by 10% if they only drink one or two drinks per day. Its funny, you say 'pot' and the news is National. You say alcohol, prescription drugs, or tobacco it gets buried on page fourteen ( whoops thirteen, even pages are read more than odd pages).

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In discussing the state's medical-marijuana program, activists, police and government officials can usually agree on only one thing: The state's medical marijuana laws are poorly written.

Proposition 215, approved by voters in 1996, stated in general terms that people who have a medical need for the drug can use it legally. The full text of the law runs less than 400 words.

State officials quickly learned that the brevity of the law was problematic for medical- marijuana users and police, who in the absence of clear direction from the state were clashing over the most basic rights of medical- marijuana users.

A law designed to clarify the proposition, Senate Bill 420, was passed in 2003. It clarified the amount of marijuana a person can possess for medical purposes, and set guidelines for an ID-card program.

But much was still missing: guidelines for the operation of dispensaries, and rules for cultivating the drug in large quantities for medical purposes.

The ambiguity has allowed cities and counties to selectively enforce the guidelines of the program, medical-marijuana activists say.

The dispute is made worse by the state law's conflict with federal law, which is often cited by local governments needing a reason to crack down on medical marijuana.

"We believe that the law is poorly written," said San Bernardino County sheriff's Lt. Greg Garland, head of the department's Narcotics Bureau. "It makes it very unclear what's legal and what's not legal.

"For people who are trying to work within the parameters of what the state is trying to do for the citizens, it doesn't give them enough direction on how to legally obtain and use marijuana.

"On our side of the fence (police), it doesn't specifically state how we determine if somebody is making a profit. How do we show that they are or they aren't?"
See its really all about they money. The 7 evil industries think they should get it all. They are going to figure out how to keep thiers by controlling whats 'legal'.
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