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Old 01-21-2008, 07:47 PM   #1
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Hard drugs no lure for cannabis-smoking mild ones
1-21-`07 | The West Australian

They value their down time, but when it comes to having fun today’s iGen-ers prefer to walk on the mild side.

Despite their devil-maycare attitude towards alcohol, the next generation of leaders has a surprisingly low tolerance towards illegal drugs.

While the occasional puff on a joint was considered acceptable by almost a third of those who responded to the study by Colmar Brunton Research, so-called party drugs were well and truly out of favour, with more than three-quarters of young people saying it was never acceptable to use amphetamines or cocaine, and 70 per cent ruling out ecstasy.

Just one per cent thought it was all right to use amphetamines regularly, and 2 per cent felt the same about cocaine. Heroin was the biggest loser, with a massive 95 per cent of the iGeneration surveyed saying it was never acceptable.

Women were less tolerant of drug use than men.

HBF family doctor Duncan Jefferson said the results, which were consistent with research collected through the National Drug Strategy Household survey, showed the antidrug message was finally getting through.

But he was concerned about the high acceptance of alcohol and cannabis, saying those substances were often seen as precursors to harder drug use.

Drug and Alcohol Office acting executive director Eric Dillon said cannabis use had been declining over the past decade but there was still a worrying attitude among some people that it was relatively harmless.

“Just like tobacco, cannabis is hard to quit and is associated with serious health problems including mental health disorders and respiratory disease,” Mr Dillon said.

When it came to letting their hair down, catching the latest Hollywood blockbuster and hanging out with friends topped the list of fun things to do followed by watching or playing sport.

Going to pubs and clubs came a distant fourth on the list, with only 18 per cent saying it was one of their favourite activities.

Their conservative attitudes extended to their role models, with two in five saying their perception of fallen West Coast Eagle Ben Cousins had changed following revelations about the former captain’s drug taking.

While more than half of respondents said Cousins was an excellent sportsman, 75 per cent said they no longer saw him as a role model and 10 per cent said he was a bad influence.
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Old 01-22-2008, 02:11 AM   #2
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“Just like tobacco, cannabis is hard to quit and is associated with serious health problems including mental health disorders and respiratory disease,” Mr Dillon said.

Blah, blah, blah.

I smoke tobacco, and cannabis, and I can't seem to give up the tobacco, but when I run out of cannabis, it's no big deal, some mild depression that lasts about a day as I ponder the insanity of it's illegal nature. I would even go so far as to say that I'm far more addicted to caffeine than cannabis.

I get truly annoyed when people who have likely never used it talk as if they know anything. I'm thinking that this guy views his ignorance as just job security. Either that or he knows the truth and is lying, or worse yet, on the weekends he gets stoned with his anti drug cronies...

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I get truly annoyed when people who have likely never used it talk as if they know anything.
I don't know of any physicists who have traveled near the speed of light, but they certainly seem to know a lot about it. I've never swallowed strychnine, but I have a damned good idea what would happen if I did.
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[quote=Hashishi;860758]Hard drugs no lure for cannabis-smoking mild ones
1-21-`07 | The West Australian

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They value their down time, but when it comes to having fun today’s iGen-ers prefer to walk on the mild side.

Despite their devil-maycare attitude towards alcohol, the next generation of leaders has a surprisingly low tolerance towards illegal drugs.

While the occasional puff on a joint was considered acceptable by almost a third of those who responded to the study by Colmar Brunton Research, so-called party drugs were well and truly out of favour, with more than three-quarters of young people saying it was never acceptable to use amphetamines or cocaine, and 70 per cent ruling out ecstasy.

Just one per cent thought it was all right to use amphetamines regularly, and 2 per cent felt the same about cocaine. Heroin was the biggest loser, with a massive 95 per cent of the iGeneration surveyed saying it was never acceptable.

Women were less tolerant of drug use than men.

HBF family doctor Duncan Jefferson said the results, which were consistent with research collected through the National Drug Strategy Household survey, showed the antidrug message was finally getting through.
His conclusion doesn't match the "statistics". The 'antidrug message' has been that Canibus is bad. Apparently folks don't agree. They tell you these other drugs are not acceptable, blowing the 'Gateway Theory' full of holes large enough for the Titanic.

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But he was concerned about the high acceptance of alcohol and cannabis, saying those substances were often seen as precursors to harder drug use.
What? didn't he just prove that despite what the drug warriors say, Marijuana is not a precursor to those other drugs.

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Drug and Alcohol Office acting executive director Eric Dillon said cannabis use had been declining over the past decade but there was still a worrying attitude among some people that it was relatively harmless.
Now wonder he is an acting director, he is worried about an attitude that is 'Sceintifically correct', Canibus is not only relatively harmless, there has never been a death from an overdose of canibus, can't say that about alcohol which he seems to conviniently forgotten as a problem.

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“Just like tobacco, cannabis is hard to quit and is associated with serious health problems including mental health disorders and respiratoy disease,” Mr Dillon said
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My doctor is associated with health problems including mental disorders. His association is closer than that of cannibus. He really needs to do some research.
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[quote=Hashishi;860758]Hard drugs no lure for cannabis-smoking mild ones
1-21-`07 | The West Australian

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They value their down time, but when it comes to having fun today’s iGen-ers prefer to walk on the mild side.

Despite their devil-maycare attitude towards alcohol, the next generation of leaders has a surprisingly low tolerance towards illegal drugs.

While the occasional puff on a joint was considered acceptable by almost a third of those who responded to the study by Colmar Brunton Research, so-called party drugs were well and truly out of favour, with more than three-quarters of young people saying it was never acceptable to use amphetamines or cocaine, and 70 per cent ruling out ecstasy.

Just one per cent thought it was all right to use amphetamines regularly, and 2 per cent felt the same about cocaine. Heroin was the biggest loser, with a massive 95 per cent of the iGeneration surveyed saying it was never acceptable.

Women were less tolerant of drug use than men.

HBF family doctor Duncan Jefferson said the results, which were consistent with research collected through the National Drug Strategy Household survey, showed the antidrug message was finally getting through.
His conclusion doesn't match the "statistics". The 'antidrug message' has been that Canibus is bad. Apparently folks don't agree. They tell you these other drugs are not acceptable, blowing the 'Gateway Theory' full of holes large enough for the Titanic.

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But he was concerned about the high acceptance of alcohol and cannabis, saying those substances were often seen as precursors to harder drug use.
What? didn't he just prove that despite what the drug warriors say, Marijuana is not a precursor to those other drugs.

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Drug and Alcohol Office acting executive director Eric Dillon said cannabis use had been declining over the past decade but there was still a worrying attitude among some people that it was relatively harmless.
Now wonder he is an acting director, he is worried about an attitude that is 'Sceintifically correct', Canibus is not only relatively harmless, there has never been a death from an overdose of canibus, can't say that about alcohol which he seems to conviniently forgotten as a problem.

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“Just like tobacco, cannabis is hard to quit and is associated with serious health problems including mental health disorders and respiratoy disease,” Mr Dillon said
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My doctor is associated with health problems including mental disorders. His association is closer than that of cannibus. He really needs to do some research.
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I don't know of any physicists who have traveled near the speed of light, but they certainly seem to know a lot about it. I've never swallowed strychnine, but I have a damned good idea what would happen if I did.
Interesting perspective Buzzby, it reminds me of a conversation (someone) and I had where he made the comment that he didn't have to be shot in the gut by a shotgun to know that he didn't want to have it happen to him.

The difference is that you couldn't argue with a person who has swallowed strychnine, or a scientist couldn't argue with someone who has traveled at the speed of light, nor could ol' (someone) argue with someone about being shot in the gut with a shotgun.

I don't give a lot of stock to someone who claims to know something they haven't experienced themselves, their opinion carries a lot less weight for me than someone who has.

If you get my drift...

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you could argue that a cannabis smoker is going to be far more biased in their view, having felt the addictive effects of the demon weed

the fact is, the relationship between marijuana and mental disorders is based on correlation, and indicates something along the lines of a 1% increase in risk for those already predisposed to such a problem. Not only that, but if this was a case of direct causation... wouldn't we be seeing greatly elevated rates of mental disorder at the same time as cannabis use increases?

I would also like to know the association between lung disease that he speaks of. I hope it's not cancer. I'm tired of hearing health professionals say that marijuana "may increase your risk of lung cancer"

you dont need to have smoked to read the facts. Saying it's "not good for you" so it should remain illegal is another way of saying "we will force you to do what we think is best for you."

Where is the evidence of societal damage from cannabis use? Where is the justification for making it illegal? If it's good to ban things that are "bad for you," then we need to ban trans fats (lol), donuts, sky diving, motorcycles, walking in a thunderstorm, ice cream, alcohol, cigs, soda, fast food, lack of sleep, caffeine, excessively long showers, poor hygiene, fad diets, etc...

sadly, our government doesn't seem to give 2 shits whether my cannabis use is a danger only to myself vs. other people.
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