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Old 02-11-2008, 06:26 PM   #21
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Am I the only one seeing this or what's going on.

In the article it says that the people they used were heavy users of both maijuana and cigarettes.

Personally I would chalk up those withdrawal effects to the fact they smoke cigarettes.


What's happening here, (At least what i think is happening Here), is that its psycological.
Because they smoke both. And one of them is very addictive. It becomes a habit to smoking both.

Or

The brain functions differently when you smoke a cigarette and then pot as opposed to just smoking a cigarrette or pot. The brain gets used to having to work with both THC and nicotine, nicotine being more used, and thusly when either substance is abstained from the brain goes through withdrawal symptoms because the two chemicals are used together so often it seems that they are one chemical and as we all know nicotine is addictive and can cause withdrawal. So when the brain only has nicotine in it, the body thinks that its not getting the drug it wants.



Well that just a theory i came up with.
Knock it if you want.
I just came up with it
I think you and many others are missing the bottom line.

As I stated at the bottom of the article, the test subjects were treatment seekers- it`s safe to assume that, taken alongside the quantity which they`re said to smoke, they`re suffering from psychological conditions and are self-medicating with marijuana. This is clearly not a fair representation of the majority of marijuana smokers and their proposed 'withdrawals' I`d reason are simply an exacerbation of their condition caused by the cessation of their respective psychological crutches.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:26 PM   #22
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I think you and many others are missing the bottom line.

As I stated at the bottom of the article, the test subjects were treatment seekers- it`s safe to assume that, taken alongside the quantity which they`re said to smoke, they`re suffering from psychological conditions and are self-medicating with marijuana. This is clearly not a fair representation of the majority of marijuana smokers and their proposed 'withdrawals' I`d reason are simply an exacerbation of their condition caused by the cessation of their respective psychological crutches.

Oh yeah I got that, I was just throwin out a theory that just popped in my head of why such an event would be occuring.


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Old 08-21-2008, 04:32 AM   #23
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I have smoked on and off for 40 years. I treid to quit two years ago and didn't get a decent nights sleep for three months, so I started again. I am trying to quit again and haven't smoked for a week. I can handle the days but dream all night long and get up exhausted in the a.m. People say it only takes a couple of days or a month to get over it. That's not true in my case, so all you people who think it's trivial,beware. It might get you in the end.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:34 PM   #24
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I have quit after forty years. I tried once before for 3 months and couldn't sleep without dreaming ALL NIGHT and finally gave up. I haven't smoked for a couple of weeks now and don't miss it all at, psychologically, no mental problems or depression (If anything M.J. is a drepessant) but I have to tell you I dream all night and get up exhausted in the morning. I even took a nap this a.m. and dreamed all through my nap. I am wiped out. I just spoke to a pharmacist who has never been presented with this problem and had absolutely no recommendations. My Dr. gave me some Ativan, and I can sleep with that, but it is addictive and I'm simply trading one drug for the other. I tried without anything last night because I was falling asleep and figured I'd be fine. WRONG! I tried Hops tea, which should quiet my mnid but to no avail. I can't take Valerian or Kava Kava becasue they are bad for the liver.
All you smug people who think it does you no harm, beware. It really is insidious and will get you if you don't quit now. And it isn't a psychological thing either, it is a physical dependency.
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I have quit after forty years. I tried once before for 3 months and couldn't sleep without dreaming ALL NIGHT and finally gave up. I haven't smoked for a couple of weeks now and don't miss it all at, psychologically, no mental problems or depression (If anything M.J. is a drepessant) but I have to tell you I dream all night and get up exhausted in the morning. I even took a nap this a.m. and dreamed all through my nap. I am wiped out. I just spoke to a pharmacist who has never been presented with this problem and had absolutely no recommendations. My Dr. gave me some Ativan, and I can sleep with that, but it is addictive and I'm simply trading one drug for the other. I tried without anything last night because I was falling asleep and figured I'd be fine. WRONG! I tried Hops tea, which should quiet my mnid but to no avail. I can't take Valerian or Kava Kava becasue they are bad for the liver.
All you smug people who think it does you no harm, beware. It really is insidious and will get you if you don't quit now. And it isn't a psychological thing either, it is a physical dependency.
There's no evidence that its physically addictive (MJ that is). As far as your problems are concerned, maybe its all that other stuff you're taking thats causing your problems.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:23 PM   #26
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I have smoked on and off for 40 years. I treid to quit two years ago and didn't get a decent nights sleep for three months, so I started again.
What you were suffering from wasn't withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms don't go on for three months. They're most intense right after you quit the addictive substance and fade away over a period of time. For the tiny percentage of people who manage to get physically addicted to marijuana, the mild withdrawal symptoms are gone within a few days.

You've got a sleep disorder that you've been self-medicating with marijuana.

I should know. I have a very similar problem. It's an atypical form of narcolepsy in which I get nothing but REM (dreaming) sleep. Marijuana tends to suppress REM sleep and it, along with a pharmaceutical, enables me to get at least a few hours of deep sleep every night.

Why are you so eager to switch from marijuana to some other drug? Marijuana works, is non-toxic, non-addictive, and relatively inexpensive. If you need a medication to help with your sleep problem, it's one of the safest therapeutically active substance know to man.

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I should know. I have a very similar problem. It's an atypical form of narcolepsy in which I get nothing but REM (dreaming) sleep.
Were they good dreams?
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Were they good dreams?
Some were good. Some were bad. Some were mixed up with hypnogogic hallucinations, which was Hell.

Even good dreams will leave you feeling exhausted in the morning if you do nothing but dream all night. A series of normal sleep cycles is the most restful way to spend the night. I envy people who can do that.
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Some were good. Some were bad. Some were mixed up with hypnogogic hallucinations, which was Hell.

Even good dreams will leave you feeling exhausted in the morning if you do nothing but dream all night. A series of normal sleep cycles is the most restful way to spend the night. I envy people who can do that.
Did you ever fly up out of bed and run down the hallway?
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12 adults makes a study?
I too am addicted to cigs, and it's nothing like quitting pot which I've had to do several times. With pot I would be grumpy during the times I usually smoked(whenever I wasn't at work) and that feeling usually left 7-10 days after quitting. With cigarettes, it's constant, you think about it every friggin minute for a month or more because your body is addicted to it. It took about 6 weeks for my cravings to stop for cigs, and I relapsed a year latter. I think I was only able to quit then because i was working 60+ hours a week at the time so i slept most my time off.
I bet you could make a much larger study that proved pot causes high scores on video games.
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