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Old 05-01-2008, 05:29 AM   #11
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LSD doesn't fuck up your brain, fuck-ups who use too much LSD ruin their brain.
I think I know basically what you're trying to say, but I would have to disagree with that statement to an extent. It's really more of an issue of so many people not understanding psychedelics. They're not party drugs. They're powerful substances that can open doors in the mind that otherwise could only be obtained through deep meditation and spirituality. Many people don't recognize this and fail to treat them with proper respect, and as a result experience a bad trip or sometimes worse.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:35 AM   #12
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For clarification, this discussion is NOT about LSD - it is about an iconic figure whose pharmacological work inspired the dawning of the counter-culture and had great bearing on the drug war- indeed, he was very outspoken on the latter topic.

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He said it wasn't his fault that people abused his creation. He does share some of the blame though.
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He said it wasn't his fault that people abused his creation. He does share some of the blame though.
If I make a chef's knife and someone else decides to cut his throat with it, would I share some of the blame?

Albert Hoffman never encouraged casual use of LSD. If anyone is to blame for that, it would be Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters and, to some extent, Timothy Leary.
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If I make a chef's knife and someone else decides to cut his throat with it, would I share some of the blame?
Of course not. It's called 'personal responsibility.'
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Albert Hoffman never encouraged casual use of LSD. If anyone is to blame for that, it would be Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters and, to some extent, Timothy Leary.
And they're not to blame either.
If I tell one or more persons that cannabis can be a wonderful adjunct to one's life in many ways and then someone tries it and has a problem?
I then need to share responsibly for their actions?
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Good point, Sterbo, but I do think Timothy Leary should share some blame. He encouraged teenagers to drop acid, essentially even if they weren't prepared for it. He had the right idea, but was far too reckless and irresponsible with his message.
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Good point, Sterbo, but I do think Timothy Leary should share some blame. He encouraged teenagers to drop acid, essentially even if they weren't prepared for it. He had the right idea, but was far too reckless and irresponsible with his message.
Indeed? I'm not sure where you got that idea.
I spent most of my teenage years, 1961 onwards, living in San Francisco and Southern California.
I was at the Gathering of the Tribes (better known as "The Human Be-In") in Golden Gate Park in the summer of '67.
That was truly a transforming moment for me, my friends and so many of those who were fortunate enough to be there.

Tim Leary led a vanguard that forever changed the spiritual landscape that helped shape the very core of our being.
I don't ever remember a careless word (my opinion of course) from Leary all through those formative years of mine.
Just sage advice regarding LSD and spirituality which helped forge my metaphysical being.

Yes, there were many, in those years and years thereafter, who approached psychedelics with a cavalier attitude. But Timothy Leary was not one of them.
I will forever be grateful of a man who was painfully brilliant while of course flawed, who was a Shaman of great faith for those of us blessed enough to be 16 living here in California in the Summer of Love...
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Well, I'll take your word for it considering you were there (lucky ). I'd still say that as a whole he was at least a little reckless though.
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Albert Hoffman never encouraged casual use of LSD. If anyone is to blame for that, it would be Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters and, to some extent, Timothy Leary.
If you designed the atom bomb and someone took that bomb and blew up a city, would you share some of the blame?
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The atom bomb was designed with the intention of killing people. Albert Hoffman created LSD essentially on accident, and wanted nothing but to help people with it, and only in a controlled, safe context. Up until the 1960's, LSD was considered a wonder drug with no side effects if administered properly.
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