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ronaldmaustin

And one more point. As much as everyone is down on the DEA and the Feds here, think about that fact that they can bust you for one joint. Or one plant. Or 50 plants. And they don't. As a matter of policy you have to have major poundage or 99 plants plus to even get charged. One person, or even five, would practically have to be bathing themselves in marijuana to be even using that much. They've reached a silent agreement with the State that they will leave it alone in what I believe are more than reasonable quantities. And so some bozos push the limits with thoudands of plants, hunderds of pounds of pot, multi-millions of dollars. They screw it up for everyone. And that's totally to be expected. My only question is why does the medical marijuana community line up behind them and quote capitalism and health issues as excuses as to why they should be allowed to fuck everything up for everyone?

 

dedbr

Buzzby.....

Well Buzz, good luck with that fantasy of wants you have going there. If you actually think that's going to happen, I have two tickets for ya to marijuana fantasy land.......

No, but apparently I am a whole lot more practical than some people and understand human nature just a little bit better.

Medical marijuana was a dumb idea from the very beginning. All these prosecutions and you deciding if someones "hangnail" is serious enough for herb proves that.

Holy Jesus, Buzz. Do we need to go into who's smarter again?

This is where you fucked up. You had it rolling but you dropped the ball. We should be able to buy morphine without a prescription. We should be able to buy herb with out a by your leave from anybody.

Why don't I think it's possible with marijuana? I think it's possible, but oh so stupid. Marijuana is and should be seen the same as beer or cigarettes or any othe recreational thing there is. Period, end of discussion.

After listening to your arguments, I want to know who pays you, the I Hate Herb Dealers Because I Ain't Got The Guts To Do It Myself Bunch? You yourself have said you buy herb, so what's up Buzz? You condemn them on one hand but use their services when it suits you? Do you go in and ask the guy why his prices are so high or why doesn't he sell it at cost? I guess in your world he could start a co-op, huh? Just give it away?

One more candidate for marijuana fantasy land, Buzz, cause that seems to be where you live........


Some Where In Ded Land.............

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Plainsman1963

Can we please dispense with the sophomoric banter (insults) and conduct ourselves like the rational mature sr. members we are?

It would make this discussion so much more pleasant to participate in and read. Hell, folks might actually get something from it.

Ded, your last post answered a question I had in the front of my mind when I was opening the thread. I understand/remember your stance on legalization now (again? Oh the days seem to meld) and agree with it. I too believe that morphine shouldn't be just medical use, etc. I disagree with prohibition entirely on it's merits. As long as we both have been around this culture though, we should be able to agree that striking down prohibition of all substances is a much tougher row to hoe than medical cannabis.

My drug of choice is cannabis. I use others occasionally (for medicinal and/or recreational reasons), but if I have a supply of cannabis that is my first choice, pretty much throughout my waking hours when possible, which is why I am at marijuana.com and not legalizealldrugs.com or wherever. This is the fight I signed on for, not the bigger tent of rescind all of prohibition.

I disagree completely with your opinion that legalizing medical use of cannabis is dumb. I am floored that you seem to think so, considering your humanitarian side concerning Darfur, etc.

Since I use cannabis both as recreation as well as for medicinal reasons, I wish the recreational users well in their fight to legalize cannabis and will stand with them, but my humanity tells me the medicinal users need me more. Folks like Angel Raich have more of a need than a recreational user.

We have 12 states (or is it 13?) now that recognize the medicinal use of cannabis. While progress is painfully slow, it is progress. Besides California, the problems in the states have to do with the federal laws working against the state's.
California, with it's "dispensary" system is making the other 11 (or is it 12?) look bad. Please don't classify the other programs in with Cali's. It was one of the first and with it's population made a lot of press, but the other states like Colorado, Oregon (to some extent), Rhode Island, etc. they learned from it's mistakes.

I personally know of caretakers in Colorado who are growing for 2 or 3 MM users for cost (and sometimes any harvest left over) and I've seen the problems for that particular scenario as well, but still much better than a dispensary system. California needs to amend its law to reflect one of the better written laws and all Doctors should be held to the same standard when recommending cannabis that they are held to when they are prescribing painkillers, imho.
It's not fantasy land because if you pay attention to the other states besides California, you'll see it happening. Sure, there are problems (just like there are problems with the prescription drug abuse), but it is head and shoulders above the California system.

If folks want to fight for morphine being classified like MM or to end all prohibition of all drugs, they can start up morphine.com or legalize it or head to a website already fighting this battle, but that's not my fight nor the fight of this website, except peripherally (if all prohibition went...). They aren't wrong to fight that battle, but I'm not wrong to fight mine, either.

Just because medical marijuana doesn't benefit the rest of the prohibited substances, that doesn't classify it as "dumb". Too many people (the people that are actually supposed to be using it) benefit from it's proper use and the medical marijuana laws that give them the opportunity do it legally at a state/local level and I personally will call you on it every time I see you say it.

It's spitting in the face of people like Angel and the people that are fighting the battle with her to do it legally:

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Buzzby

When I edited this post it created a duplicate instead of replacing this, the original. See below.

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Buzzby

Since you didn't seem to know that co-ops and other non-profits can't make profits, I guess that would be me.

Who's living in marijuana fantasy land? We should all be enlightened and perfect, but it's not coming any time soon. What should be and what is are miles apart. There are a lot of steps in-between. You can't get from one to the other without traversing all of those steps.

Do you really want hundreds of thousands of sick people to do without their medicine until Congress becomes so enlightened that you can buy morphine OTC?

Legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes is not going to happen until legalized medical marijuana is generally accepted. Legalization of other now-illicit drugs is not going to happen until marijuana is legalized, if ever.

I agree with "should be". If you think it "is", would you run down to the 7/11 and pick me up an oz of White Widow? I just don't know how that bears on the current discussion of ripoff medical marijuana dispensary owners. Would allowing these guys to break state laws and get rich on the backs of sick people somehow help achieve the goal of getting all drugs legalized?

Did you miss my recent post in which I defended dealers as people without whom most of us wouldn't have any smoke? I have no problem with dealers. I just don't think that dealers who are legally selling weed to sick people should hit them with the 900% black market markup.

I happily pay my dealers their prices. They're doing something illegal and get a big bump for risking their freedom and the costs a legal defense would entail. OTOH, a dispensary is a legal business. Charging black market prices for legal weed is nothing but pure greed, especially when it shuts out the very people for whom the medical marijuana laws were put in place. A person who's living on Social Security disability because he's so sick that he can't work can't afford to pay these semi-legalized dope dealers $400 an ounce for the medicine he needs.

Ded - It's possible for two adults to disagree about something without calling names and throwing insults. Your ad hominem attacks just demonstrate how thin your arguments really are.

 

Pompo

That's a completely inaccurate statement Ded. The idea to make MMJ available to those who are suffering and can benefit from the use of MMJ is a noble idea and isn't "dumb" in any way, shape or form. Until we bring about the end of prohibition, we should not only fight for our right to freedom of choice (as recreational users), but we should also fight for the rights of the patients who need MMJ. IMO, these rights should include safe access and a reasonable cost for thier medicine. Sure, I find it deplorable that, as a recreational user, my rights are trampled apon by a prohibition that's based in greed and political agendas. But I find it even more deplorable when the sick and suffering are exploited to satisfy someones personal greed and in the process, bastardizes a system that's was designed to aid the suffering of those who could benefit from MMJ.

Plains is absolutely right. Ded, an arguement can be made that your post directed at Buzzby is trollish in nature and I believe you need to pull back on the reins a bit. You can put forth your point of view without being quite so confrontational about it.

And ronaldmaustin, additional comments can be added to an existing post by using the "edit" tab located at the bottom of the existing post instead of creating another new post

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dedbr

Pompo.....

It is my opinion though, and it's based on years of experience on this subject.

( Dedbr takes a step back and counts to ten......Then he counts to ten again.......)

Ok. Instead of thinking the MM law thru, they just splash it into a vote and no one has any idea how it's going to be provided. We have talked about co-op's and doctors and dispensaries but no one has come up with a simple, easy way to get the herb to the patients. If you're so concerned about the patients getting it, then dispensaries are a good way to get it done, and the operator's of the dispensaries are providing a valuable service to these patients.

There are going to be abuses with any system, but why pass a law like this and then try and figure out how the hell the patients are going to get their herb? Dumb....

Passion overrides common sense sometimes. I apologize if the banter between Buzz and I was construed as sophomoric. It wasn't intended that way.

Plains.....

If we're going to legalize it then we should write into the law how they are supposed to get it. They pass a law saying that patients in need can use it, but hey, you can't buy it. Anywhere. What kind of sense does that make? None as far as I'm concerned.

Everytime this discussion comes up, it's the same thing. Those dirty drug dealers need to be locked up. Let's just forget the patients that are really sick that the dispensaries have helped by being accessible to the general public. We seem to think it's easy to get herb and it's not. These dispensaries are a good way to get the "medicine" to the patients.

We can either swing together or swing separately.........


Some Where In Ded Land.....................

sterbo

That's it? My Dad used to make us go out and chop a quarter cord of wood
Huh? Do I say huh again?Most of them are, yes.
Huh & huh'er!
OK, just chop enough to keep all your buds warm by the fire,
this evening on the plains.
I really wish I could stop saying, huh?
OK, I give up. I'm completely lost.
Visions of butts aloft on canvas straps..........fast forward to a most nasty trap door, all bets are off.
I'll take the childhood laughter peeling the sky.
Fang must be lost -

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A rootin', tootin' fighter G
In any scrap he knew just what to do
A rough and ready fellow
Although his coat was yellow
His bold Texas heart was true blue

Chorus :
Here Yeller
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Best doggone dog in the west
Here Yeller
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dedbr

Buzz......

Thin but truthful. The mess I predicted years ago has come to fruition. We haven't solved a damn thing with medical marijuana. All we've done is muddy the waters and lost site of our supposed goal, the complete legalization of marijuana.

That's the reason we have abuses because we have went about it all the wrong way.....

sterbo.....

I'm still chopping..........


Some Where In Ded Land....

sterbo

ded, what's the right way?