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Old 06-19-2008, 02:29 PM   #1
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Time after time I hear stoners refer to not being high as being "sober". This is incorrect. When you are sober, you are no longer drunk. Not being high is called being lucid. Lucid is also a word that means 'clear'.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:33 PM   #2
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I just call it "not being stoned/high"..
I don't think lucid accurately describes it either but to each his/her own.
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Time after time I hear stoners refer to not being high as being "sober". This is incorrect. When you are sober, you are no longer drunk. Not being high is called being lucid. Lucid is also a word that means 'clear'.
While it's likely that most people associate the word 'sober' with alcohol, the fact is that the term is applicable, by definition, to that of drugs as well.
In this case, marihuana.

'Lucid' is a term that, of course, is applicable to both as well...
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:47 PM   #4
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The definition of sober is not "not dunk," but "not intoxicated." Intoxication, likewise, does not merely refer to being drunk. It refers to artificially inducing in the body any series of progressively deteriorating states of physical and/or mental ability. Most dictionaries qualify this with an "especially alcohol" because, yes, most COMMONLY it's used to refer to being drunk, but with the qualifier "especially" it also implicitly means that other drugs can do it as well. So sober, meaning "not intoxicated," is an applicable word only whenever one is not under the influence of any drugs, and technically correct if someone wanted to describe their status as not high, presuming of course that they are also not under the influence of other drugs.

As a side note, I also have to disagree with your use of the word lucid in place of sober. Lucid does not strictly mean "clear," at least not in the sense that it seems you mean it which, correct me if I am wrong, is "clear minded." Instead, it means "easily understood," and someone can be quite lucid and high at the same time; that is, one state is not mutually exclusive from the other. Of course, the secondary definition of lucid is sane, and I don't believe that being high is considered by the mental health community as a mental illness nor grounds for an insanity defense plea (indeed, you might get laughed out of a court [and into a jail cell] if you tried to claim insanity because you were high). The final definition is translucent, which is LITERALLY clear, but again not applicable in this case.

Out of curiosity, where does your information come from?
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yeah i gotta go with itg and sterbo- being "sober" means not intoxicated- on anything, not just alcohol.
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Time after time I hear stoners refer to not being high as being "sober". This is incorrect. When you are sober, you are no longer drunk. Not being high is called being lucid. Lucid is also a word that means 'clear'.
You can be high, but still be lucid. It's all about the ability to think and speak clearly.
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The definition of sober is not "not dunk," but "not intoxicated." Intoxication, likewise, does not merely refer to being drunk.
But hey, couldn't one argue that smoking cannabis isn't "intoxicating" because there is not anything "toxic" in there?

hmm?
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weeeeeelllllllll... it does alter your state of mind and that's the definition of intoxicating. Intoxicating you thought process?

And i feel that lucid can describe your state of mind when you are high... everything becomes clear to you?
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I still prefer the term 'sober.' If I was to tell someone I am lucid I think they would stare at me with the blankest look in the world.
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Time after time I hear stoners refer to not being high as being "sober". This is incorrect. When you are sober, you are no longer drunk. Not being high is called being lucid. Lucid is also a word that means 'clear'.
Being able to think and speak clearly and rationally is being lucid. I am usually lucid when I'm high, so it's not a contrast to being high. I'm usually high and lucid at the same time.

While "sober" means "not drunk", it also carries the connotation of "not intoxicated". I don't think the English language has an adjective that specifically means "not stoned". When the language was developing, the only intoxicant in common use was alcohol. "Sober" is the closest we've got.
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