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picknsave6990 · 07-10-2007, 06:08 AM

correctly grown...is the strain trainwreck a hybrid (as in half indica half sativa) or is it suppoed to be fully indica? i think its a hybrid but im not completely sure...

***Plainsman1963*** · 07-10-2007, 07:30 AM

Hmm...The original trainwreck I believe is a short squat fast finishing sativa. The grow reports I've seen though talk about how lanky they are, so the short squat part might just be hype.

I think the original is available as clone only though, so seedbanks are crossing it with various other strains and selling them under other names (like K-train, Trainwreck X Herijuana, etc.).

**sterbo** · 07-10-2007, 05:29 PM

As is typically the case, truth and legend have co-mingled. Here's what I know. You decide for yourself.

1 - The original Trainwreck was supposedly 1st grown in Arcada, Calif. in the '60's. Story has it that there was a train wreck that summer which more or less memorialized what turned out to be a very potent and popular smoke. Sativa dominant.

2 - Trainwreck was first grown in the early 1980's by two brothers in San Diego. It was a cross of Columbian X Mexican X Afghani - 90/10 sativa dom.
This strain has been grown with great successes in Humboldt, Calif. for the last decade or two.

Other variants from Humboldt are said to have a higher % X of Afghani resulting in a hybrid more like 65/35 sativa dom.
There is an indoor version called Alien Trainwreck that is actually Indica dom.

Regardless, Trainwreck has proved to be extremely well regarded and is said to be especially effective in the management of chronic pain, migraines and nausea.

Hope this helps...
.

***Plainsman1963*** · 07-14-2007, 01:43 AM

More info I found on Trainwreck:

Quote:

Beserker is the guy who discovered/bred Trainwreck. Steve Tuck is the guy that crossed it with an Afghani to produce a seed-line/woodhorse/meduser Trainwreck.
I cut and pasted this from weedtracker.com

The arcada cut of train wreck gets it name because it was grown, for the first time, on a hillside, that just so happened to have a train wreck happen in the same area that summer, so the guys pulled it early, at around 50-55 days, because they didnt want the grow to be found by the crews doing clean up on the wreck. But what they found out was that the shit was finished, which really shock these guys since it was supposed to be a sat Dom plant. This is the story that I have been told more then once from some very close people to me, that have lived in the Arcada, Ca. area since the 60's, so this is the story that I tend to believe. Now the story about it taking 9 months to mature from seed is total BS and I've also been told that the story about it starting in SD is also BS, the OG train wreck cut came from Arcada all the rest are crosses made from it, or just BS claims. Thats just the info I have gotten form the area.
As per oledad420 on icmag forums

Trainwreck

A brain thumping, Sativa, soaring high. Comes on strong as a freight train, finishes in the typical ultra-heady Sativa manner! Very medicinal. People become hooked on it like a hard drug. Old school California taste. Dense rock hard nuggets. Next to no leaf .Light green with small calyxes. Thin stem, small buds. Legend has it it was started in the early 80’s by a couple of brothers in San Diego. Mexican X Columbian, with a hint of Afghani.

After 10 or 12 years, somehow a clone was let out, and the madness has started. It has thrived and been mastered in Humboldt County for 12-14 years.

This is unbelievable pot. (90% Sativa / 10% Indica)
As per texas Kid icmag forum

Train Wreck

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Of all the strains called "medical" there is, in my mind, no better nor stronger strain than Train Wreck.

Train Wreck is an old hybrid (1970's) from Humbodlt of lowland Thai, Mexican Sativa, and a very solid and potent Afghani.

Train Wreck (TW) is particularly good for the treatment of migraine, pain, and nausea.

While TW is thought to be a Sativa dominant (and looks like it) it's actually got quite a bit of Afghan in it making this an extremely potent hybrid. I'm guessing our TW is probably a 65/35 Sativa/Indica.

There are a few true TW seeds around but don't expect to find them. If you did you'd be real surprised that this 42 flower strain from clone is 9 months when grown from seed. This is because in Train Wreck the gene that controls flowering is time from germination.

You can see that Wreck is almost vine like with fine Sativa like leaves. Resin production begins almost immediately in flower and can cover the entire plant in frost.

One of the striking things about Wreck is the color. It's not really green at all. Here's some of my popcorn nuggies taken from a small plant at day 42.

Train Wreck is an excellent strain for SCROG. Here's some Humboldt Wreck harvested at 42 days following an indoor Odro grow.

Some caution about Train Wreck....This strain is a creeper, especially when fresh. You take one toke and it takes a good 5 minutes before you find yourself toasted. Some make the mistake of toking while they're waiting for that first toke and find themselves truly stoned. Heck, my wife smoked Wreck by mistake and got lost in the pool :-)

Cured for 3-4 weeks, TW loses some of the "creeper" quality and becomes rock hard nuggies that are stronger than most hash.

Finally, the taste is of a mentholated dead whale dipped in lemon gasoline.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

Pics are in the Med thread

Texas Kid's post

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Here is some more stuff I had

Comments on Trainwreck from Meduser : A brain thumping, Sativa, soaring high. Comes on strong as a freight train, finishes in the typical ultra-heady Sativa manner! Very medicinal. People become hooked on it like a hard drug. Old school California taste. Dense rock hard nuggets. Next to no leaf .Light green with small calyxes. Thin stem, small buds. Legend has it it was started in the early 80’s by a couple of brothers in San Diego. Mexican X Columbian, with a hint of Afghani. After 10 or 12 years, somehow a clone was let out, and the madness has started. It has thrived and been mastered in Humboldt County for 12-14 years. This is unbelievable pot. (90% Sativa / 10% Indica)

Comments on Trainwreck from Mojojojo : TW is basically a Thai low land sativa that got into the mix up here back in the early 80’s. Out doors it’s a huge “weeper creeper” that takes up TONS of space and takes 9 months to come in. It’s original parents were brought back from Thailand by some vagabond-os wanting to reproduce Thai-stick phenotype. For how the plant looks when grown FROM SEED – or just left to grow – see Clark’s MB pg. 177 “Creeper phenotype” The main problem with the ‘elusive’ TW seeds – is they really aren’t that elusive – its just that the strain (originally – real deal) uses the pair of genes that are “length of time from germination” sensitive. These run the veg time out for almost a full 9 months. Once these genes are ‘satisfied’ then TW blooms really fast (42 days done). In fact if left longer – it tends to just “blow out” and never makes tight again.

Comments on Trainwreck from Beserker :
a.) it was NOT row e-32 it was thirty second rotation - sub type "E" = e-32
b.) that cross was "Mostly" LowLand Thai x Mexican Sativa (dirty mex brick weed) ... that some how (stuipd new-be) got into the mix ... and X with standered Indca dom strain of the late 70's early 80's era that was (and is) the staple of out door in much of the P.NW then and now.
c.) the plant NEVER really seemed to come in - did NOT purple even when it was left in (for what seemed for ever) - it DID get a light BLUSH of mauve!
d.) when we did finally cut it (in the sleating rains of a late year = not even worth going back for was the argument - short hike but like why bother for that huge creeper like THING that didn't have any bud on it last time we looked) -- well we ended up going down the hill - and found SOME AIR BUD on it - long fethery branchs. + had seeded a bottom branch PER: SOP of anything "weird' - or GREAT!
e.) then once we got it up and dried the damn thing - and 'tested it' = WOW .. end of story ..
f.) e-32 (what is now called TW) became ledgen - in 82 there was NOTHING comprable.
g.) so that's that -- the seeds were pretty much stable from that X - and over the years we weeded out the Broad leaf tendencies ...
--- yeild IS low = its comes in consistantly
w/o Co2 at about 80% of a LB per 1000y
w/ Co2 at about 110-120% of a LB per 1000y
out doors well how big are the plants (chuckle) BUT it tends to hold CLOSE to the 21.3 grams per Sq Ft vs. the 31.95 to 46.2 grams per Sq Ft in full sun of any of the broad leaf phynotypes. and color = yup its GREY NOT GREEN! because of the crystals - which are ALL OVER THE PLANT from bottom of the stem to the tippy tops! You know its wreck if: Every time you look at it you wonder if its got MITES - and when you look closer you see its JUST the grey of the KRYSTAL looking like mite webs! your arm hairs are sticky and you don't remember touching anything in the room ... it SMELLS of MINT - or menthol ...the TINY buds at the base of the stem are CRYSTALLY TOO -- just like the tops - and when they are dry they are total KRYSTAL = snow white ... and you find your self going "wow this is better looking then the tops! If your checking the SIZE of your ONE hit - not how MANY hits you can take before total couch lock ...Then - that's the wreck!

**sterbo** · 07-14-2007, 01:57 AM

Wow, now there's something to chew on.
Thanks Plains...
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tokinGLX · 08-24-2007, 03:16 AM

one peice of correction, it is arcata, not arcada. never been there, but when you google arcata calif, it brings up a map, showing the city of arcata, humboldt univ is right there. so the arcata and humboldt (i believe, anyways) are the same line.
you know youve got trainwreck when you smell that lemony, gasolinish smell and the nugs are rock hard. 3 weeks into flower and the plant looks more crystalated than most strains do at 6 weeks. my previous patient said that it was nearly too strong for him. i fucking love this strain.

after being water cured, in the jar

**sterbo** · 09-03-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tokinGLX

one peice of correction, it is arcata, not arcada. never been there, but when you google arcata calif, it brings up a map, showing the city of arcata, humboldt univ is right there. so the arcata and humboldt (i believe, anyways) are the same line.
you know youve got trainwreck when you smell that lemony, gasolinish smell and the nugs are rock hard. 3 weeks into flower and the plant looks more crystalated than most strains do at 6 weeks. my previous patient said that it was nearly too strong for him. i fucking love this strain.

Beautiful photos tolkin

Thank you.

FYI - All my background work shows Arcada as being correct re: the origin anyway.
As my post indicated, there is some confusion specific to it and San Diego. Some rather extended research could probably clear that up (but I'm too busy for that)

Most of the Trainwreck derivations we are seeing these days, are coming from the Humboldt area.

07-10-2007, 06:08 AM	#1
picknsave6990 New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 18 Grams: 901.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	quick question about the strain "trainwreck" correctly grown...is the strain trainwreck a hybrid (as in half indica half sativa) or is it suppoed to be fully indica? i think its a hybrid but im not completely sure...

07-10-2007, 07:30 AM	#2
*Plainsman1963* Administrator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,376 Grams: 37,219.17 Groans: 40 Groaned at 17 Times in 11 Posts Thanks: 619 Thanked 1,364 Times in 685 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	Hmm...The original trainwreck I believe is a short squat fast finishing sativa. The grow reports I've seen though talk about how lanky they are, so the short squat part might just be hype. I think the original is available as clone only though, so seedbanks are crossing it with various other strains and selling them under other names (like K-train, Trainwreck X Herijuana, etc.). __________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe Posting Guidelines

07-10-2007, 05:29 PM	#3
sterbo sailor dog... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,037 Grams: 20,566.02 Groans: 31 Groaned at 21 Times in 16 Posts Thanks: 2,867 Thanked 3,435 Times in 1,514 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	As is typically the case, truth and legend have co-mingled. Here's what I know. You decide for yourself. 1 - The original Trainwreck was supposedly 1st grown in Arcada, Calif. in the '60's. Story has it that there was a train wreck that summer which more or less memorialized what turned out to be a very potent and popular smoke. Sativa dominant. 2 - Trainwreck was first grown in the early 1980's by two brothers in San Diego. It was a cross of Columbian X Mexican X Afghani - 90/10 sativa dom. This strain has been grown with great successes in Humboldt, Calif. for the last decade or two. Other variants from Humboldt are said to have a higher % X of Afghani resulting in a hybrid more like 65/35 sativa dom. There is an indoor version called Alien Trainwreck that is actually Indica dom. Regardless, Trainwreck has proved to be extremely well regarded and is said to be especially effective in the management of chronic pain, migraines and nausea. Hope this helps... . __________________

08-24-2007, 03:16 AM	#6
tokinGLX Sr. Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 444 Grams: 8,562.63 Groans: 3 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts Thanks: 8 Thanked 131 Times in 90 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	one peice of correction, it is arcata, not arcada. never been there, but when you google arcata calif, it brings up a map, showing the city of arcata, humboldt univ is right there. so the arcata and humboldt (i believe, anyways) are the same line. you know youve got trainwreck when you smell that lemony, gasolinish smell and the nugs are rock hard. 3 weeks into flower and the plant looks more crystalated than most strains do at 6 weeks. my previous patient said that it was nearly too strong for him. i fucking love this strain. after being water cured, in the jar __________________ united we toke, divided we choke.

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