L0st_St0ker

if theres a slight negotiable risk then I wouldn't smoke through a shifty cone peace made out of aluminium. I'v had a relative live at my house with that althimers disease (escuse spelling) and it has to be the worst condition you could be in. I'm talkin a 4 second memory here, non stop, and the worst thing is that the patient who has it knows they do so this constant feeling of (man, this sux) feeling flows through them non stop and probably wouldnt ever get less suckful cause the feeling keeps repeating itself so it's a fresh new suckful feeling every 4 seconds.

cannacup

Aluminum is your bad for your health. People only try and say it isnt ecause there investment is too deep into metal heating elements. Its commom sense that aluminum when heated at vaporization temperatures release toxic vapors. So you think that heating element runs at 350F to vaporize correct? Well it aint, factor in the air flow and that is why they are ran much higher than 350F. Manufacturers of vaporizers hide this fact due to bad design. It just lets you know who has a more knowledge in vaporizer systems from there designs. Now vaporizers made from plastic chassis is another thing. Vaporization Temperatures needed to vaporize correctly would melt the thermal plastic many manufacturers use. That is why it explains the light diluted taste. It is not posible to run Thermal plastic on vaporization systems as they will outgas over a certain temperature also. Alot of times just because you cant taste the outgassing doesn't mean its not outgassing. Toxic vapors can be undetected to the eye. All manufacturers as of this date do not also seal off there electronics from the inhalation chamber making the user inhale flux from the electronic parts. Flux is also invisible to the eye and very dangerous to inhale.




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Fryth

I think he's saying that in Alzheimer's patients, some kind of protein residue is formed outside the cell, and that it somehow attacks and destroys cells, leading to Alzheimer's disease, and that none of this is in any way related to aluminum oxide poisioning. It does not, however, mention anything about what aluminum oxide poisioning actually does, or if the amount consumed when burned through tinfoil is significant.

So, there's still nothing really answered there...

BoodahSmokah

okay, today I was in quite a desperate situation and I had to make a bowl out of aluminium foil, now I'd be really interested in how hazardous Aluminium oxide actually is to your health. Does anyone know WHAT exactly it damages, and in what quantity it's harmless? any figures?

btw, after smokin out of that aluminium bowl there was a peculiar taste in my mouth, could this have been caused by the aluminium? dunno, it could've also been the wooden pipe I attached the bowl to, I havent smoked out of it for a month..

~boodah~

weedprophet

even if smoking with aluminum does not lead to alzheimers that does not mean its not harmful. I would also like some answers if anyone has any...

Thanks...

justchillin2

i only smoked out of an aluminum foil bowl one time in a desperate situation, my friend couldnt find his bowl, anyways, aside from the awful taste, after the high was over and i was trying to go to sleep i had horrible chest pains which actually lasted through the next day...the only time ive ever had that after smoking, never had it before, never since, and i dont want to smoke out of an aluminum pipe again to see if that was the cause. just a thought

Bongzilla

Back in the days of homemade bongs, my friend used to make a bowl out of a metal cap (similiar to those on olive oil bottles) and have some tinfoil on it.

Tin foil burns, so don't try that

But about your question, I wouldn't try anything but glass. Aluminum does breakdown a bit when heated, and that would be very bad on your lungs, and who knows what diseases it can cause.

BoneyDragon

If you ask me, smoking with a piece of aluminum is only a couple steps above licking shake off the floor. It just seems so dirty and cracked out.

~bD

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HillBilly

Howdy! (standing in the ripples of unchartered water)

What do ya think about the disease process itself? Unless said patient has profound clinical symptoms, the diagnosis cannot be 100% without an autopsy (in Alzheimer's disease). And even with profound symptoms, the disease can only be verified with post partum pathology reports.

(this means you'd have to be dead for anyone to know 100% if you've got alzheimer's disease)


Your local nursing home probably has many residents with Alzheimer's disease. Did they all smoke pot from a soda can? doubt it.. So I agree with the PhD, there's some genetic precursors there.

WIll your makeshift Budweiser bowl give you Alzheimer's disease? I seriously doubt it after one or a couple uses. I would not recommend stopping at the soda machine every time you're gonna need a bowl.

Why does burning aluminum (thought to) contribute to Alzheimner's? OK... I'm assuming that there's the oxidation process. (introducing fire to something burns the oxygen out of it, and the byproduct could be / is a toxic fume) Kind of like watching your old bike rust, but in a hurried manner, with a toxic byproduct.

The plaques that PhD was talking about probably are toxic in high levels. And depending on their action on brain tissue, I reck'on could cause cerebral atrophy. (process in which brain tissue / cells: die, or shrivles, or becomes no longer useful).

For there to be conclusive evidence as to whether or not aluminum bowls do or dont cause Alzheimer's disease would take a study... which I seriously doubt will ever be done

example of long term study:

group A: who smokes from an aluminum can pipe three times a week.

group B: who smokes through a glass pipe three times a week

conclusion: after 45 years of observation, group A shows a 4.6% higher incidence of Alzheimer's disease than group B.

Do you see how this effort would be useless. How many people would have genetic factors to begin with? How many people would be compliant with this study?

very very hard call to make. Don't eat paint chips unless your life depends on it

~~hb

TheEnemy

i thought that in my science class they said that they thought that alzhiemers disease was hereditary. meaning that you have to have a family history. i will ask my biology teacher who has a phd if its hereditary or not. that probably will answere it once and for all. because if it is hereditary there is no way you can just get it like from smoking from aluminum cans.

T.E.