Protect and Serve... or Harass and Abuse

disheartenedwamerica · 08-05-2008, 07:23 PM

Personally I grow more and more disgusted with our law enforcement here in the USA everyday. Just curious who else feels this way. Also I'd just like to ask the question (this could be a poll question but I would like to hear reasons also

) Who feels that law enforcements role has changed from the stated "Protect and Serve" to my what I feel they really do now, "Harass and Abuse". Sorry for the rant. Looking forward to responses.

Trocisp · 08-05-2008, 07:31 PM

No. I doubt you'll find much agreement on that sentiment from the members of the forum.

It's not the LEO's fault marijuana is illegal, talk to your local legislator about that.

disheartenedwamerica · 08-05-2008, 07:40 PM

Im not just talking about marijuana laws though, I am talking about the people who enforce them. While I admit there are a few exceptions (Phuzz and other non-powercrazy officers) but the general police force seems to me overall to have forgotten the point of being in LE, to protect the people. It may be just me, but it seems that people and their safety, liberty, and health are just an "obsticle" police have to work around in order to get their arrests or make their quotas. This is what disgusts me so greatly.

Trocisp · 08-05-2008, 07:53 PM

... "Quotas" ?

**troublemaker_42** · 08-05-2008, 07:55 PM

No U.S department HAS arrest quotas. This just goes to show how quick you are to make assumptions without knowing the facts. Quotas are actually ILLEGAL.

disheartenedwamerica · 08-05-2008, 08:53 PM

Ticket Quota Cover-up Continues with Pennsylvania State Police
Pennsylvania State Troopers receive monetary bounty for writing additional traffic tickets and are punished for speaking out against the system...

Ticket Quota Cover-up Continues with Pennsylvania State Police
County patrol 'quota' ties days off to tickets - Examiner.com

Buzzby · 08-05-2008, 10:32 PM

As TM said, quotas are illegal. That's why someone using quotas was news. This was an illegal exception to the rule, not the general situation.

I don't fault the police agencies because they have some bad apples. That's just human nature and you'll find assholes in every profession. I don't see any institutional support for the kind of bad behavior you're saying is the general situation. What I do see, unfortunately, is a "blue wall" when officers' actions are questioned by civilians. That needs to change and I think it is changing. Agencies have largely accepted that they must have some kind of civilian oversight and a means for citizens to voice their complaints and be heard.

I've been ripped off by a few potheads in my life. Does that mean that potheads are bad people?

I wouldn't want to be a police officer. Seeing too much of the seedier side of life would probably make me suspicious of everyone and indifferent to other people's pain. I admire the good people who are willing to take on this responsibility. Unfortunately, there aren't that many of them, so police agencies have to hire some assholes, too.

JuanMoreTime · 08-05-2008, 11:27 PM

My opinion is that law officers are still "Protect and Serve". My opinion is the "Harass and Abuse" comes from people breaking the law and then whining when they get caught and say they were not treated fairly.

Marijuana is illegal. I know that. If I get caught. Oh well. It's illegal. For now.

Freedom_User · 08-05-2008, 11:51 PM

I believe that cops are originally to protect and serve. Sometimes, power overwelms them. But that is human nature. Politicians, Supervisors, some 17 year old pimple faced kid who becomes assistant manager. They all have a potential of abuse. But, I'd like to say that a large majority of the people who are to protect and serve are good people.(With the exception of some L.A. cops and the cops in Florida in the Hoffman case)

quickie · 08-08-2008, 02:44 AM

"quotas"...no...BUT(and please correct me if I'm wrong, Phuzz) it is my understanding that most LEO handbooks have "averages" in them. Example: State Trooper handbook might state something to the effect of " A good Trooper hands out 15 speed violations in a given 30 day period." So if you wanna be a GOOD Trooper you nail 15 a month but id you wanna be OUTSTANDING Trooper you should exceed that number. Not stated but implied.

08-05-2008, 07:23 PM	#1
disheartenedwamerica New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 84 Grams: 2,959.60 Thanks: 14 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Protect and Serve... or Harass and Abuse Personally I grow more and more disgusted with our law enforcement here in the USA everyday. Just curious who else feels this way. Also I'd just like to ask the question (this could be a poll question but I would like to hear reasons also ) Who feels that law enforcements role has changed from the stated "Protect and Serve" to my what I feel they really do now, "Harass and Abuse". Sorry for the rant. Looking forward to responses.

08-05-2008, 07:31 PM	#2
Trocisp Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,214 Grams: 49,800.88 Thanks: 783 Thanked 1,452 Times in 890 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	No. I doubt you'll find much agreement on that sentiment from the members of the forum. It's not the LEO's fault marijuana is illegal, talk to your local legislator about that. Last edited by Trocisp : 08-05-2008 at 08:05 PM.

08-05-2008, 07:40 PM	#3
disheartenedwamerica New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 84 Grams: 2,959.60 Thanks: 14 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Im not just talking about marijuana laws though, I am talking about the people who enforce them. While I admit there are a few exceptions (Phuzz and other non-powercrazy officers) but the general police force seems to me overall to have forgotten the point of being in LE, to protect the people. It may be just me, but it seems that people and their safety, liberty, and health are just an "obsticle" police have to work around in order to get their arrests or make their quotas. This is what disgusts me so greatly. Last edited by disheartenedwamerica : 08-05-2008 at 07:42 PM. Reason: sp.

08-05-2008, 07:55 PM	#5
troublemaker_42 0tolerance4BS Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,991 Grams: 50,598.80 Thanks: 2,955 Thanked 4,184 Times in 2,026 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	No U.S department HAS arrest quotas. This just goes to show how quick you are to make assumptions without knowing the facts. Quotas are actually ILLEGAL. __________________ Ted Nugent: "To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous?

08-05-2008, 10:32 PM	#7
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 16,810 Grams: 91,225.92 Thanks: 997 Thanked 6,796 Times in 3,139 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	As TM said, quotas are illegal. That's why someone using quotas was news. This was an illegal exception to the rule, not the general situation. I don't fault the police agencies because they have some bad apples. That's just human nature and you'll find assholes in every profession. I don't see any institutional support for the kind of bad behavior you're saying is the general situation. What I do see, unfortunately, is a "blue wall" when officers' actions are questioned by civilians. That needs to change and I think it is changing. Agencies have largely accepted that they must have some kind of civilian oversight and a means for citizens to voice their complaints and be heard. I've been ripped off by a few potheads in my life. Does that mean that potheads are bad people? I wouldn't want to be a police officer. Seeing too much of the seedier side of life would probably make me suspicious of everyone and indifferent to other people's pain. I admire the good people who are willing to take on this responsibility. Unfortunately, there aren't that many of them, so police agencies have to hire some assholes, too. __________________ 60% of the people of America now say we are heading toward a depression. Not a recession, a depression. We are in desperate need of profitable industries that we can tax. Um... Now can we legalize pot? ~ Bill Maher Theocracy Watch

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