mondaymonkey

Okay, I have some tips for all of you to avoid tickets/fines/jail for marijuana posession/distribution/consumption and trafficing. The same ideas can also be used to fight a plethora of other items, including Speeding tickets (I've gotten off plenty of tickets this way)

When your caught:

If the officer does not specifically call you, try to make yourself inconspicious. IE: If your speeding and there are plenty of cars, play dumb and roll close to the other cars (in a pack) until its obvious that they want YOU. (Police radars have a sweep of ~+-12 degrees, could be a bunch of different cars if your close to other ones) This will help you avoid suggesting to cops that you are guilty.

Do not let cops search your car or your person (or home) or anything else. Period. Simply tell them you wish to excersise your rights to privacy, and that you under no circumstances waive ANY rights. Let them decide what that means. *if they DO search your car, don't resist, simply get there badge numbers, and remember ALL important details** When you go to court, if they violated any search rights, your case will 99 percent of the time be thrown out.

If your stopped in a car, and you are asked to leave the car, your passengers can usually stay in the car, and in ALL circumstances, lock your car behind you. Claim its for safty or something. It will prevent cops from innocently opening the door. They cannot open any door without a warrent or a good reason.

Make sure that you carry what ever you have with you OUT OF SIGHT. And that includes having a conspictuous buldge in your pocket. They'll have reason to believe its a weapon, and your SOL cuz they found it. Once they have reason to search you, anything they find is fair game. Cops cannot search you unless they have reason. Also make sure that in your car, they cant see anything that can be construded as illegal from peering in. (Hide it under the seats, or better, in the trunk undershit).

DON"T ADMIT ANYTHING. If they say "Do you know why I stopped you/ am questioning you? Say No officer, I do not. Admitting anything just gives the cop another tool to arrest you for.

If the cop says "i'll make it easier on you if you confess" DONT CONFESS. Don't say SHIT. Cuz if they find anything illegal they have a obligation to follow procedures, which invariably involves slapping you with the same fine.

Don't rat on anyone at the scene. Don't say anything to the police at all. Leave it for the court.


IN COURT: If your defending yourself, NEVER PLEAD GUILTY unless they offer you a plea deal. They its up to you, if you think you can get away with it, then try it, otherwise, maybe consider the plea deal. If its for simple posession, fight the hell out of it.

Try to poke holes in the defenses case. Remember that you as the defendant ONLY need to suggest to the judge the plaintiff (The Crown/State) has not made a good enough case. You do this by making enough holes in the plaintiff's case. You don't need to explain yourself if you don't want.

Ask cops specific details that might seem trivial. IE: What colour car was I driving? What colour shirt was I wearing? How many people were in the car? How much did you supposedly "Find" on me? If there answers don't line up exactly with other testimonies, the cops testimony might be disregarded by the judge.


These are just some general hints, im going to go back when I have time and flush these ideas out. as you can see they are based generally on auto involved cases, but they can be modified to fit anything. The key idea is not to let the police have any unwarented breaks.

TokeTillYouDrop

Good stuff man. Thanks for the two cents. I like the locking your door idea.

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mondaymonkey

yea man.

I was lucky enough to be brought up with a dad as a lawyer, along with working at a few law firms along the way. It pains to see so many people screwed by there own actions.

BartSimpson

Please read Phuzz01's Search Thread stickied at the top of the page. The OP's advice is what you get in jail from your fellow inmates - it lacks understanding of case law - and usually gets you into more trouble, not less. Bad advice is worse than no advice at all.

Like the "lock your car door" crappola. That is an urban myth that only serves to piss off the LEO and take your situation to a whole new level. The officer does not need a warrant to search your car - as Phuzz01 explains at length in his thread. We have a handful of threads in this very forum posted by persons who did lock their car door and it always went very bad for them.

It would be nice if the OP actually read Phuzz01's thread, too.

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KillerWeed420

There is nothing wrong with locking the car door. But it has repurcutions. The cop will most likely impound your car and go to the work of getting a search warrant. But he will have to prove to a judge there is reasonable cause for the search warrant. He ca not enter the locked car without a warrant. He can also call in the phoney drug sniffing dogs and say the dog hit on it.

BartSimpson

There is something wrong with locking your door. It is out of context for the situation (you think the cop is going to steal your CD's?), and is not considered in the criteria for exigent circumstances. The LEO can search your car without a warrant if he has probable cause to believe that there is contraband, evidence, or fruits of a crime in it. According to the federal case Carroll v. US, the US Supreme Court said that the mobile nature of a vehicle automatically qualifies as "exigent circumstances." This is called the "automobile exception", and it is the folly of youth to think the same rules for your home apply to cars.

That is where your cunning little plan falls apart - and your lack of case law knowledge just gets you into trouble. Like I said, you want legal advice from the inmates in Jail, then practice these silly little urban myths and you'll get the opportunity to go to Jail.

I find it ironic that you suggest phony drug dogs - because this "lock the car" advice is from a Barry Cooper video, who tooled around the highways of Texas with a phony drug dog doing exactly what you suggest.

t-1000

You car park situation is completely different than having an officer ask you to step out of the car, then locking the door as you do so.

Any cop will go crazy at seeing you do something like that. I mean seriously, why would someone lock their door like that? They can search your car if they want to. The best thing is to only have a J on you ready to eat. Or have your shit stashed really well and let them search.

Avoiding a search typically makes them suspicious

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Stumper67

Alright last night I was pulled over for "driving to the left of pavement markings."

I had a blunt and a half, about 2 grams if that, in my car. I don't have the money to hire a lawyer and this is just am inor possession ticket, so the fine will be 100 bucks, not really that bad, not any worse than a speeding ticket really.

But my problem is this: I was NOT driving to the left of the pavement markings. The closest I came to this was taking curves tightly, in which case my driver's side front tire may have grazed the line.

How can I be pulled over for this??? I was driving fine, I really wasn't doing what the officer said I was doing, I was shocked he pulled me over... Why is it that cops can just make up reasons to pull you over?

water

yea this isn't the best advise for every situation. I had a friend who was asked by the police if they could do a search, he said no. The cop simply left another officer with my friend and went and got a warrant. He also brought a k-9 unit back with him because as soon as he was told "no" to a search he knew he was going to find something.
If it's in a good hiding spot and you say ok to a search maybe they wont find it. Say no and they are 100% gonna find it.

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mondaymonkey

Bullshit. There were probably extenuating circumstances. ANY judge would not accept evidence in his court that was gained through a warrent based on "The suspect didn't want us to search his house, so we got a warrent on that reason alone".

You have RIGHT to privacy. Just because you excersise it doesn't mean that you are presumed guilty.

Use your brain. And I say that with the utmost sincerity. Its that kind of talk that screws us all up.

ANd yes, I have been to court, self defended myself, got off on all charges, and parents never knew about it. (While I was in highschool)