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BartSimpson

Buzzby, you are my hero. Better words could not be written. I have in my hand a postal money order for $50, to which I will place your name upon, and mail it to NORML. Right now! I promise! Please keep up your efforts!

 

usmellthat

untill just recently i didn't know about NORML or MPP and until now i had never heard of DPA i'm gonna check out your links. unfortunately i got screwed over by the financial aid dept. at NH comunity tech college and have no money, but as soon as i recover financialy i'll look into donating. until then i'm definately gonna spread the word around NH. I should get decient coverage i live in southern NH and go to school in central NH so i'll help spread the word.

king cola

"To be accurate, not all users support it."

I admit that i'm one person who wants it legalized but as of now have never done anything to help the cause. I'm starting to think more and more about making donations to NORML. What i'm also surprised about is that a lot of users don't even know why pot is illegal to begin with, i was one who wanted to know why something i like using was illegal and tried to find as much information as possible on it. I know plenty of people who do nothing but b*tch about how pot should be legalized including myself, a lot of people don't try to get involved though, they expect everything to just happen for them.

I also want to comment about the question to the cops, it's the judges and prosecutors that determine the sentencing, i think theres also laws that state that if someone is caught with a certain amount of drugs, they must serve an automatic minimum sentence of somekind.

My father was friends with a few cops that had smoked pot in the past, it's been more than 7 years so i don't think they could ever get in trouble for what they did before, not sure if they still smoke it though, but i'm sure if the cops who use it now, if their cheif found out, they might find themselves without a job. If you know a cop that uses pot and he knows that you know, i would say your in a good position because more than likely if he ever catches you with it and no one is around, chances are your going to get let go. The ones who smoke pot off duty are at risk much like any of us if we get caught, but they are at a greater risk because when a cop does something illegal and is caught for it, in court they like to make an example out of them to show that it won't be tolerated. You can't say most people with those occupations use marijuana or other drugs, you know of a few and i know of a few, but that doesn't make up for the rest of the world, just a very small percentage.

All it takes is for someone to complain when the person isn't arrested for a crime and then the officers who were lenient risk getting suspended or fired, a warning for speeding is one thing but if someone had a pound of pot and the cop just took it and let the person go, they would get in some serious trouble if any of the people they work with found out and complained.

To sum that up, everyone who breaks the marijuana laws know or should know the consequences if they get caught wheather it's cops or civilians, we make the choice ourselves to use it or not, we have control over the decision we make, just not the justice system if we get caught. Even lawyers don't have that much control over the justice system, they either find out if the arrest violated constitutional rights or not, they check for loopholes, if they really can't find any violations they just work on bargaining with the prosecutor and see if they could work something out to give you less punishment. The decision on how to sentence you still gets left up to the judge, not the cops.

In conclusion all of us who support marijuana really do have to get off our a$$es and start getting more involved. Maybe have articles printed up in your local papers about marijuana, all you need is people like buzzby's and a few other people's posts re-written in one good article and printed up into the papers. Subscribe to groups like NORML, make donations, have intelligant public speeches about pot, marches, maybe even get people to sign petitions in your towns for who supports legalization, then send all those petitions to whoever would make sure they got to the right people. That's just an idea but i doubt people in all 50 states would take that approach. We all take the time to post on here without a problem and ask all kinds of questions or just respond to them, there really isn't a reason why any of us don't try to do more for the movement. When i think about it though, i would say that one reason people don't is that maybe they fear getting harrassed in their area for coming out and talking about marijuana legalization. That activist in Alabama, forgot what her name is but i'm sure someone on here knows it, she was harrassed, her house was searched for marijuana, etc. They even went out of their way to fly a helicopter over her house to search for plants while she was away and she wasn't even growing anything. We read about stories like that happening and people just don't want to risk having something like that happen to them.

no_problems

That is a matter of opinion. The police use whatever discretion they have at the time of contact with suspects. If someone cooperates with the police at the time of contact, the police will often allow the person to go. Without cooperation, they will definitely arrest the person (which they can do even without the drug laws, when someone fails to cooperate).

The police don't make the law. They make sure that the worst offenders are sentenced. Personally, I think drug dealers are often some of the worst offenders -- they are often violent, they often spike their products to make them more addictive/psychoactive/etc., they routinely act in spite towards the police, and so on. The police have every right to go after the dealers who act in such destructive fashions.

As for Narc Emery, my personal belief is that he should really be tried for fraud, rather than distributing seeds... But that's just an opinion, also. (He routinely sent nonviable, immature seeds, or nothing at all, to his customers... it is a wonder that the government could even grow plants from the seeds he sent them to use as evidence.)

I am one of the people who have never used marijuana but support (in the sense of wanting, not in the sense of doing anything about it) legalization.

nacrypt

Actually, most drug dealers are very much small time. They are regular people who just sell to their circle of friends. But, since they engage in an illegal activity, one that if caught carries serious penalties, they have the police as their natural enemy.

I think the police can be blamed for the unjust persecution of the marijuana culture because they are one party that clearly benefits financially from marijuana being illegal.

Since police benefit financially, and they actually arrest the people from our culture, I think we can blame them personally for not having the moral courage to stand up against laws that are clearly not good public policy.

 

LibertyLover

It is the duty of every American citizen to enforce the law. The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, which protects our right to smoke whatever we want. Cops have double the duty to enforce the Constitution, as they swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Unfortunately, the vast majority of cops along with the vast majority of citizens are too ignorant to know of their duties. Many or most cops also have no interest in learning, understanding, or applying the law.

Rather than trying to change the laws against marijuana, I think it would be more productive to try to learn and teach why those laws aren't really laws.

LibertyLover

I'm quite sure you will ignore your duty, both as a citizen and as a cop, in order to continue to break the law in order to oppress people such as those who populate this board. However, in the futile goal of exposing you to the truth,

"Whenever any person is confronted with a situation in which two or more official acts are in conflict, he has the duty to know which is the superior one, and to obey or help enforce the superior one, which, if one of them is the constitution, means to obey or help enforce the constitution. This duty cannot be delegated to another person: not to a superior, a court, or a legal advisor. It is not a defense that one was ignorant of the law or just doing one's job or following orders. This is sometimes called the Principle of Nuremberg." http://www.constitution.org/consprin.htm

# A citizen not only has the duty to obey the law, but to help enforce it, within his ability, and to do what he can to prepare himself and others to do so.
# In a constitutional republic, the constitution is the supreme law, superior to all other public acts, whether by officials or private citizens. Any statute, regulation, executive order, or court ruling which is inconsistent with that supreme law and not derived from it is unconstitutional and null and void from inception.
# There are several ways in which statutes or other official acts may be unconstitutional:

1. It may be contrary to a right guaranteed under the Constitution.
2. It may not be based on one of the powers delegated to the government under the Constitution.
... (snip)

An unconstitutional statute is not a law, no matter how vigorously it may be enforced. Enforcement does not make what is enforced the law. What is enforced is a regime. In a constitutional republic, the law and the regime should coincide. If they do not, the regime is not law but anti-law.

http://www.constitution.org/consprin.htm

troublemaker_42

I find it comical that some people actually believe their beliefs somehow nullify the law. I think its in EVERYONE'S best interest to work on changing the law rather than attempting to convince the people the law isn't real. As long as its enforced, held up by the courts, and people are going to jail over it, its a law in my eyes. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find more than a handful of people who buy into your misguided belief that the law isn't "real" and I also believe convincing the public at large of that would be a far greater challenge than working to actually change the law.

LibertyLover

Even if marijuana were to be legalized, without a national understanding and application of constitutional principles the myriad other tyrannies inflicted upon our nation would continue, and many other new ones would continue to be devised and implemented.

Also, it is not my belief that nullifies the laws against the prohibition of marijuana. It is the law that does so. Merely because you and 99.99999 percent of everyone doesn't understand or care to understand let alone enforce the law doesn't make the laws of the land not the law. Your belief that prohibition is the law doesn't make it the law, nor does the belief of everyone else make it a law. The enforcement of these "laws" doesn't make them the law. The decisions of the courts doesn't do so.

And I agree with you that it is a far greater challenge to get people to understand and care about the rule of law than to get them to understand and care about legalizing pot. It is one of the hardest things, if not outright impossible, to get people to question and rethink the way things are. The principles, spirit, and letter of the rule of law in this nation are antithetical to most people's beliefs that they are programmed with by the education and media systems. It seems the vast majority of people have no understanding or interest in the law, so many believe the lie that the "law is the law, and that the government decides what the law is".

So I say to you as I said to Niteshift, in a doubtlessly futile attempt to expose you to the truth:

Whenever any person is confronted with a situation in which two or more official acts are in conflict, he has the duty to know which is the superior one, and to obey or help enforce the superior one, which, if one of them is the constitution, means to obey or help enforce the constitution. This duty cannot be delegated to another person: not to a superior, a court, or a legal advisor. It is not a defense that one was ignorant of the law or just doing one's job or following orders. This is sometimes called the Principle of Nuremberg. - http://www.constitution.org/consprin.htm

It's your duty to understand and enforce the law. Are you going to do so, or are you going to give a few bucks to NORML to have them beg the government for your freedom back?

LibertyLover

Quick question:

Let's say the federal government prohibits Christianity. Is that legal?