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Old 09-28-2006, 01:48 AM   #11
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Its real easy to get bent outta shape when you've convinced yourself you are right... or when you believe in what you are saying and then someone who knows better and can back it up corrects you.... sort makes you feel extra dumb dont it?

my advice to Calico-- dont take it so personal man. These guys run the forums for our mutual benefit....

remember, life on the outside is a lot different... as pot smokers, or former pot smokers or whatever... what happened to you is unfortunate but all too familiar in today's legal system. It really sucks bad... nothing you can do about it now but try your hardest to be the best citizen you can and not let it happen again. If you fuck off and sink deeper into your hole then a life of crime will only lead you back inside again... and again.... and again... and again... and after the third "again" nobody will listen to you anymore and you'll realize the whole "us and them" paradigm. We are all human, but some humans have a clearly defined knowledge of what is acceptable and what is not. Younger people often step into the dark gray areas and act like "so what?" but the fact is that YOU sold drugs to undercover COPS and got busted. I'm not saying you deserved it bro so dont get angry with me. But There's nothing unfair about that except MJ SHOULD be legal. If it was legal the people could get stuff at the local pot-pharmacy and you would not be able to make a buck $elling shit to anyone because they'd have it already.

Do you want to go back to jail? Do you want your friends/family/local authority to take you seriously when you grow up? Yes? Then stop fucking around and get serious!
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:04 AM   #12
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I couldn't have said it better if I tried. You're right phuzz, there is a lot of this shit going around. Nobody wants to be responsible for there actions. It is always someone elses fault.
With all due respect, why should someone take responsibility--aka face the consequences of their actions---when the consequences of marijuana use and distribution are illogical and idiotic to begin with? I don't understand how longtime members of this site, with the title of Activist next to their names, can state that members are somehow wrong for using marijuana and need to be responsible and face consequences/punishment for what they did. I thought members of this site were pro marijuana use, not people who sympathize with the position of popo.
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:09 AM   #13
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This is based on your years of experience on this forum?

The fact of the matter is that the OP got caught selling drugs to the police. Yet, rather than taking responsibility for his own actions, he wants to blame his lawyer for his misfortunes.
A lawyer gets paid to do his job to the best of his ability, which is to get his client acquited in a trial. Or at least a sweet plea deal in the case of no trial.

If a lawyer is paid thousands of dollars, and in exchange does a poor service for his client that makes that client do more jailtime then he would do then if the lawyer did a competent job, then YES the lawyer is at least partially to blame for the punishment handed down by the court.

It seems that in the American judicial system, people are treated/judged based on how good their lawywer is, how much money they have, and their level of celebrity. The truth is secondary.

Just look at the OJ Simpson trial. You think that with all the circumstances and evidence being the same, any other African-American man in America would have been acquited for the murders of two white people?

The difference between OJ being free and getting gang raped in prison was his celebrity and money that provided him with his Dream Team legal counsel of Johnny Cochrane, Robert Shapiro and F. Lee Bailey. Hell, all he needed was Johhny C. to walk into the courtroom for there to be an almost certain acquital.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:42 AM   #14
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I don't understand how longtime members of this site, with the title of Activist next to their names, can state that members are somehow wrong for using marijuana and need to be responsible and face consequences/punishment for what they did.
It has nothing to do with pro-marijuana or anti-marijuana. Selling drugs is illegal, and he knew that, and he got caught. He knew the consequences of his actions before doing them, but chose to anyway. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

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I thought members of this site were pro marijuana use, not people who sympathize with the position of popo.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:51 AM   #15
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A lawyer gets paid to do his job to the best of his ability, which is to get his client acquited in a trial. Or at least a sweet plea deal in the case of no trial.
Wrong! A lawyer is not paid to get his guilty client off, they are paid to help the Court arrive at the truth. You are demonstrating a complete misunderstanding for the legal system, and the purpose of lawyers. They are officers of the Court. The truth may be that the Police errored in their procedure, or the defendant had some other issue the Court should be aware of . . . but we have a legal system that finds you guilty or not-guilty; the word innocent is never mentioned.

You state that "The truth is secondary" - this kind of thinking is what gets many young persons in trouble when dealing with the legal system. Many try to lie their ass off and only dig themselves a deeper hole. The truth is primary.

Argue what you wish about the legal status of MJ, but it is illegal and many of us believe the misconception of the young adults about the concept of MJ being cool - and the harsh realities of the real world are very important. We have thousands of stories here of young men doing exactly the wrong thing (the teenage trifecta) and stunned when they get caught. I'm here to warn them that it is going to be a major setback in their lives regardless of what they may wish the general population thought of MJ.

Taking responsibility for your actions is much more important that bitching about your lousy lawyer not getting you off for something you actually did. Just because we are members of this board does not mean we forgo our obligation to teach youth responsibility. If you smoke weed, you better be prepared to face the consequences until it is, in fact, legalized.

Not to mention that taking a few precautions can prevent 99% of the arrests we read of here in this forum.
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:29 AM   #16
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With all due respect, why should someone take responsibility--aka face the consequences of their actions---when the consequences of marijuana use and distribution are illogical and idiotic to begin with? I don't understand how longtime members of this site, with the title of Activist next to their names, can state that members are somehow wrong for using marijuana and need to be responsible and face consequences/punishment for what they did. I thought members of this site were pro marijuana use, not people who sympathize with the position of popo.
I haven't been a member that long and the title by my name wasn't put there by me. I believe it is based on the number of post you have made. I believe in responsible use of marijuana by adults. The following is from the OP and doesn't sound very responsible to me. You decide:

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I was then released on one year probation with a suspended 3-15 year sentence. Which means that if I screw up on probation, which I hope I don't, I will have to finish out the remaining 3 to 15. So with 16 months served, if I go back, I will have to serve another 20 months before even being eligible for parole. This was the plea bargain I chose.
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P.S. I took my piss test two weeks ago and passed, then went home and got so high that I literally zoned out and couldn't hear people talking to me for like five minutes. It was fu-king great.
I don't know what you think but I think he isn't responsible, hasn't learned his lesson and isn't too fucking bright. This is solely my opinion and may not be the opinion of the general membership.
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:25 PM   #17
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A lawyer gets paid to do his job to the best of his ability, which is to get his client acquited in a trial. Or at least a sweet plea deal in the case of no trial.

If a lawyer is paid thousands of dollars, and in exchange does a poor service for his client that makes that client do more jailtime then he would do then if the lawyer did a competent job, then YES the lawyer is at least partially to blame for the punishment handed down by the court.

It seems that in the American judicial system, people are treated/judged based on how good their lawywer is, how much money they have, and their level of celebrity. The truth is secondary.

Just look at the OJ Simpson trial. You think that with all the circumstances and evidence being the same, any other African-American man in America would have been acquited for the murders of two white people?

The difference between OJ being free and getting gang raped in prison was his celebrity and money that provided him with his Dream Team legal counsel of Johnny Cochrane, Robert Shapiro and F. Lee Bailey. Hell, all he needed was Johhny C. to walk into the courtroom for there to be an almost certain acquital.
oj was aquitted because of reasonable doubt! period
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...I also agree with pretty much everyone here; he got caught committing a crime,pay the debt to society!
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With all due respect, why should someone take responsibility--aka face the consequences of their actions---when the consequences of marijuana use and distribution are illogical and idiotic to begin with? I don't understand how longtime members of this site, with the title of Activist next to their names, can state that members are somehow wrong for using marijuana and need to be responsible and face consequences/punishment for what they did. I thought members of this site were pro marijuana use, not people who sympathize with the position of popo.
Its simple. I use marijuana primarily for recreational purposes. I don't really NEED it to survive, and its something I primarily do for fun. I know its illegal, and I know an arrest is possible. I've been there and done that already. However, even though I know its illegal, I CHOOSE to use it anyway. Arrest is a risk I'm willing to take. I do not feel my use of marijuana is "wrong" or "immoral" but i do realize that it is illegal, and logical or not, there's a price to pay if your caught. Realizing that its illegal, and being willing to face the consequences for my actions doesn't make me any less of an activist. Its reality, plain and simple. If you commit a crime, regardless if you agree with the law in question or not, you'll still be faced with consequences, and should ultimately be prepared to deal with them if the situation arises. If not, maybe you better rethink your illegal habits. If you choose to break any law, you should have a rational expectation of what will happen if you are arrested for breaking that law. I'm sorry, but arguing in court how you don't believe in the law isn't going to change the final outcome. Doubt my integrity as an activist of you choose, but I don't see being prepared toface the consequences if arrested makes me any less of one.
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...I also agree with pretty much everyone here; he got caught committing a crime,pay the debt to society!
well then I disagree with everyone..

you should've said - he got caught committing a """""""crime""""""""-


fuck this system fuck the police fuck USA, I'm moving to Canada, who;s moving with me?
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