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CountessBathory

I would like to advance a historically-based theory I have on why marijuana will not be legalized in any of our lifetimes.

Consider the current DEA administration and its

kommandant - in - chief, Herr Asa Hutchinson (who, if one were to check his phone records, has undoubtedly called Poland at least twice to inquire about re-opening Auschwitz to imprison and execute drug users). Hutch and his henchmen are to the U.S. today what the Gestapo was to Nazi Germany, the Cheka to Stalinist Russia, and the Red Guards to Mao Zhe-Dong's China -- a quasi-legitimate police force employed by a dictatorial regime to eliminate transgressions from the bounds of its authority.

A key maxim guiding any dictatorship is that nothing unites people like a common enemy.

Keeping current DEA practices in mind, consider that the Gestapo rapidly expunged society of any who expressed (or were merely accused by another of expressing) anti-Nazi or pro-Semitic statements, encouraging people to turn one another in for the greater good of the Reich (or so they were told). Stalin's notorious purges eliminated any suspected of having anti-governmental leanings. In all of these socities, children were actively encouraged to turn in their parents; a quick call to the Cheka or Gestapo was an easy and painless way to rid oneself of a troublesome neighbor or an old nemesis. And when their actions were commended by the regime as patriotic, who would dare suspect their motiaves to be anything but noble?

The Nazis taught people to hate and fear the Jews. The DEA teaches people to hate and fear drug dealers and users. Turning Jews in, the Nazis assured the German people, was an act of patriotism. Turning drug users/dealers in, the DEA assures us, is a noble and moral thing to do -- and they're even willing to give you a cash reward for it. (The Gestapo handed out a few of those as well.) Got a neighbor you don't like, or an old enemy from a long while back? Tell the cops they're selling drugs...even if they're not, the humiliation and hassle of being watched and searched is punishment enough. People will never look at them the same way again. (Being thought of as a "Jew-lover" in Nazi Germany was equally stigmatizing.)

The Nazis taught children to turn in their parents. We have the DARE program, which teaches American children exactly that. "Obedient" children in Nazi Germany got their parents a one-way ticket to a concentration camp. How many thousands of children's lives have been ruined in overburdened and underfunded state child welfare programs while their parents serve ridiculous sentences for being <gasp> drug users?

The SS and Gestapo barred Jews in Germany from holding most any job beyond the level of street-cleaner. Have you noticed all those "drug-free workplace" subtitles on job listings and the increasing frequency of drug tests for even the most menial of jobs? No Jews -- or drug users -- need apply. A person's religion no more impairs their ability to perform a job than the recreation they choose to engage in outside the workplace. But Hutch won't listen to rational things like that. Rational thought and authoritarian power have never been cozy bedmates.

The Nazis had no more reason to hate the Jews than the DEA has to keep marijuana illegal. But keeping the Jews suppressed and pot illegal allows these forces to exercise unchecked dictatorial power. Justice William O. Douglas said once that "those in power wish only to perpetuate it." By presenting Jews, drug users, and drug dealers as enemies of society, people will always come to them -- the Gestapo and the cops/DEA, respectively -- for protection. So much protection, in fact, that we are willing to trade in most of our fundamental human rights for it. This is the power of a dictatorship -- instilling in people enough hatred and fear of a perceived enemy that they do not miss the rights they give up to be protected from it. And as long as the fundamentally totalitarian regime under which we live remains as it is, all drugs -- even harmless and innocent marijuana -- will remain verboten.

Sorry to have gone on so long. <cringing> Sorry to have rambled on so long, too...I was an English major in college, but my writing skills have gotten a bit rusty. I hope I've made some modicum of sense. Let me know what you think.

Peace,
Countess B.

 

ganjalova420

I used to post alot here, but lately I've just floated through the messages...until this one.

My friend, you have nailed this issue directly to the point. For years I have thought about how this country has become increasingly "fascist" under the direction of the "bible thumpers" who run the country...and coincidentally the corporations which own the government.

I once read an article on www.democraticunderground.com which explains a different form of fascism than the one we all learned about which existed in WW2 (Nazis, Italians, ect..). What we have today, thanks to Nixon, Reagan, papa bush is what you may call "yuppie" fascism. Where classical fascism existed in the form of complete totalitarian state power, yuppie fascism takes the core ideal of fascism (enforced extreme competition and expansionism) and twists it. Yuppie facsim is no more than the take over (or buy out) of a weak state ... and government by massive powerful corporations. Therefore, the corporations use the government as their tool in order to enforce their will. Thus we see asa huchinson as the tool of massive corporation's wishes.

Yet, in any form of fascism there must always exist...THE ENEMY! In nazi germany, the enemy was not only jews, but any group that posed a problem to the expansion of the "aryan" race, and their complete domination of the planet. In our country, the corporate oligarchy uses drugs and terrorists( now merged to one entity for greater efficiency) as their scapegoat. Drug users are discriminated against; its not actually like they (the haves) intend to cure us of "addiction", but instead to effectually enslave us and prevent us from gaining or voicing power or opinion.

To finish, I think the newly released nixon tapes prove this political theorem of mine to the point. Mr. nixon was kind enough to say that in a "strong society" such as ours drug use is OUR ENEMY!
here it is in black in white
"You see, homosexuality, dope, uh, immorality in general: These are the enemies of strong societies"

check it out at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Mar20.html

well, whatever- just letting u know that its refreshing to see that someone actually sees through the propaganda that the right wing media spits at us to see the real truth behind george dubya's chimp eyes.

p.s. - i just edited this in a prospective thought that my argument may come under attack, if this is the case- i welcome any different opinions and would love to hear everyone (including nightshifts) opinion.

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The Stoned Philosopher

Pretty much both hit the nail on the head, another reason why most psychidelic drugs are illegal is because they open peoples minds and cause them to question things, which is a big no no for the elite.
The elite want our populace to be sheep because then they can get away with almost everything.
Anyway down with the Fourth Reich! Down with Furher Bush!

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ganjalova420

its funny that i can actually see america becomming more and more fascist as george bush and cronies gain more power and we loose our citizen rights.

One clue to this gradual authoritarianization, if that is a word, is with a new postage stamp released by the USPS.

does this stamp look like anything similiar(nazi germany anyone)?

Bongwater19

i wish people would stop tell other people what to do, and if everyone would live by harm minimizing personal and government policies. end the manipulation. who are we for but the people's welfare? we all are the people.

-unrealizable dreams of a hippie. maybe someday. somewhere. i will keep looking and keep speaking.

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Deus

Sometimes I think that maybe Mcveigh was the first revolutionary, rather than a terrorist. Not condoning the murder of innocent people, that kinda defeats the purpose of the revolution. But what an interesting notion no?

The secret to Hutchs actions lie deep burried within his past. I'll see if I can find the article...

http://serendipity.nofadz.com/wod/asa.html

I hope you enjoy that, it took me 45 minutes to find it.

Basically as a federal prosecutor in the 80's he turned his head for some reason, while a very flagrant obvious man, also one of the biggest kingpins in the nation at the time, flew various narcotics right into the heart of his district.

I have no idea why someone with a history as such would be in charge of the DEA, but I have a feeling it has something to do with corruption on a grand scale.

Conine

Awesome post CB... it's motivated me to change my sig.

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CountessBathory

Wow, Conine, I'm flattered......glad my ramblings made sense to somebody.

It will take a holocaust to convince this country that our drug policies are misguided. Sure, our yuppie-facist (good explanation of that, ganjalova) "War on Drugs" has racked up hundreds of thousands of casualties over the past two decades, but it will take a concentrated and deliberate campaign of murder -- like the Nazi Holocuast, the Chinese famines, or even the Salem Witch Trials -- to make the rest of this country realize how tragically flawed our oh-so-trendy "zero tolerance" drug policies are.

How tragic that a holocuast is what it's going to take.

Peace,
Countess B.

CountessBathory

I expounded a bit more on my holocuast theory in another post in this forum (I've alreay forgotten which one), but I would like to clarify it a bit further here.

Before I continue, though, I'd like to point out a disturbing little parallel that ties in well with the argument I presented in my original post. A popular button circulated in Nazi Germany bore an utterly insidious drawing of a Jew (big nose, thick lips, etc.) and the inscription "whoever buys from a Jew is a traitor to his people." Remind you of anything? How about that ad shown during the Super Bowl '-- "buy drugs and you're supporting terrorism"?

Anyhow, on to my holocuast theory...

As I mentioned, it's going to take a holocaust for our drug policies to change. Think back to every intolerance policy of yesteryear -- the Nazis' anti-Semitism, Indian removal, witchcraft laws in Salem, Massachussetts....what did they (along with countless others) have in common? Common sense, despite the better efforts of a few practitioners of it, couldn't put a stop to them. Each one ended only after a full-scale holocaust shocked some sense into the people who espoused it. Six million Jews and four million Gypsies had to die for Germans to rethink their intolerance laws; millions of Native Americans died before our government admitted its Indian removal policies were a bad idea; twenty-five innocent people died in Salem, Mass. before the townspeople conceded that the witch hysteria had gotten out of hand. Millions of Congolese had to perish for the Belgian government to take King Leopold II's treasured colony away.

Our drug war has of course killed hundreds of thousands of Americans -- not to mention thousands more Colombians and Mexicans -- but this has taken place over the course of two decades. Our drug policies are not going to change until Hutch and his crew open up an Auschwitz of their own and start gassing drug users in earnest. A lot of people are going to have to be killed in a small amount of time for the American public to open its eyes to the irrational ineptude of our nation's drug laws.

I once had the privelage of knowing a woman who was a survivor of the Nazi Holocaust. Though reluctant to talk about it, she kept the number the guards at the concentration camp had tattooed on her arm. I once caught a glimpse of it when she raised her arm and her sleeve rose a few inches above her elbow. A chill went down my spine as I thought of what she had been through and what we drug users may someday have to face. If Hutchinson had his way, we'd all be brandished with marks of shame and sent away to be murdered. The road to the Nazi Holocaust was paved with increasingly severe intolerance policies toward the Jews (and anyone considered a threat to the Aryan race, as ganjalova correctly pointed out)...policies that became more extreme because the Jews still existed. Cramming them into ghettos and stripping them of their rights didn't get rid of them, the same way barring us from jobs and throwing us in prison doesn't get rid of drug users. It was this progressing extremism that led to Hitler's "final solution." I shudder to think what "final solution" the U.S. government will decide on.

With fear and some sadness,
Countess B.

dogg

first off I found ganjalova420 calling the media "right wing" pretty funny, seeing how the media is the biggest stronghold of the liberal propaganda in the coutry.


2nd each of you should slap yourself in the face for even thinking for a SECOND what you are going through is even COMPARABLE to GENOCIDE. Pull your head out of your asses, this is hardly comparable to the Holocaust and for you to use the Holocaust to push the envelope on your agenda it shows real lack of class and taste

whatever pathetic post communist liberal "struggle" you all feel you are going through doenst even COMPARE what happened 50 years ago and for you to even use that is just sad and shows a real lack of class and understanding