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Old 06-25-2002, 10:58 PM   #21
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It is understood that the police are going to make mistakes, and errors in judgement. If that was not the case, why have a criminal court and jury system?

In the case with the dogs in the back yard, the police cannot be expected to know the personal relationship of your neighbors, and must act on the information that they have at their disposal at the time. If the information leads an officer to believe that waiting would lead to contamination or destruction of the evidence, then taking action is definatly the course he should take. It is up to the courts and the juries to decide if the action that he took was legal and reasonable or not, not the police officers. All of those questions, as I understand it, are answered during the pre-trial hearing. Which true, some cops and DA's try to get you to waive your pre-trial hearing in return for a favorable treatment, those are crooked bastards trying to beat the system. NEVER EVER waive your pre-trial hearing.

I am sure that a police officer who has his cases thrown out of court more times than not for illegal searchs and other violations of our rights is going to suffer for that. As NS said, it becomes harder for them to get judicial co-operation or department co-operation, and could end up in investigations, suspensions, fines, or loosing their job completely.

Now allow me to go on the record for a couple of things.

The use of a non-drug example to illustrate the principals of the law in question has been tested and tried on these boards for the better part of a year. They ARE and accepted and on-topic post to make. I have seen this technique used on these boards with great success in explaining the rational behind the laws. To not allow it simply because it is not on-topic would cut the legs out from underneath the effort to educate people on their rights and the laws.

Reguarding "Mihi's Law" I can understand where that can be taken personally in the context that it was used. I can also understand NS's reason for using it. The difference between Mihi's Law and Newton's Law is one has been accepted by the scientific community as fact, where the other one is used to attach a name on a seriously flawed line of thought. If Mihi was confident in his line of thought, he would not have taken offence to his name being used to sum that thought up. Reguardless, NS, please refrain from doing that, it can reasonably be seen as condesending and really is counterproductive to what you are trying to accomplish here.

Finally, NS has done more to educate us on our rights as they actually work in a court of law than any other member on these boards. You do not have to agree with him, you can argue with him, but you should atleast award that much respect. If you have a problem with something he says or if he is incorrect then prove it. Give us a court case or some law or ruling which disproves it. Reducing yourselves to personal insults and petty bickering has not worked in the past, and I am willing to bet, will not be effective in the future.

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Old 06-26-2002, 02:35 AM   #22
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Old 06-26-2002, 03:32 AM   #23
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