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Old 07-05-2002, 08:14 PM   #1
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Default Posing as someone else to attain evidence, doesn't that = said evidence inadmissable?

Alright, so I was just talking to one of my friends online... or at least to someone I thought was my friend.. and here is the entire conversation:


Me (12:58:32 PM): our large scale purchase completely fell through
Friend (Friend's mother at this point) (12:59:57 PM): which one?
Me(1:00:08 PM): half pound
Me(1:00:40 PM): the guy called us up last night and suddenly demanded more then we've ever paid him... and we were like uhh... dude that's not very cool
Friend (Friend's mother calls friend into the room, he takes over) (1:00:44 PM): why did you say our? like I had something to do with iut
Me(1:01:04 PM): well... because there were many involved in it, and now no one has pot
Friend (1:01:22 PM): well my mom is her and she think that I am involver
Friend (1:01:34 PM): and you better tell her tgat I had not a damn thing to with it
Friend (1:01:41 PM): is this right or wrong?
Me(1:01:42 PM): haha.. yeah you never have
Friend (Friend's mother takes over again at this point)(1:01:53 PM): But you are?
Me(1:02:10 PM): sure
Friend (1:02:34 PM): Your dad knows you are involved in illegal drugs?
Me(1:03:25 PM): I try to help along the process of my friends getting stuff for less money
Friend(1:03:50 PM): (my name), I am very upset that you are involved in illegal drugs and I want you to have NOTHING TO DO WITH (FRIEND) AGAIN!!! IS THAT UNDERSTOOD?
Me(1:04:16 PM): yeah right (Friend).. your mom came in during the period after which you were able to ask which one specifically?
Friend(1:04:38 PM): (Friend) doesn't do or need your help or illegal drugs
Friend(1:04:52 PM): This is (Friend)'s Mother
Friend(1:06:15 PM): Do not call (Friend)'s home again



My friend is telling me that his mother is going to call me personally, and want to talk to me to find out exactly what is up. Am I correct in believing that under the current circumstances, (his mother posing as himself in order to gain evidence), if such evidence was gathered by law enforcement officials, it would be inadmissable in court? I thought if you were going to pose as someone, legally you have to tell them at the begining in order to use it against them.

Anyways... I'm just wondering because if that is the case, I'm just gonna tell his Mom to Fsck off. It's not a legal issue, it's just if she acquired this evidence that has alarmed her so illicitly, I don't really wanna give her my time of day. She stole his freedom in order to protect him from evil marijuana... Congrats, Mom.
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Old 07-06-2002, 02:31 AM   #2
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i don't know if any cvourt rulings have come down regarding instant messengers but there is proball;y not much you can do...
she would just be giving information to LEOS..she would be acting as a snitch and the rules for snitches are very lenient...i would not tel her to f off...i would just chill for a while until things cool down
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Old 07-06-2002, 04:56 AM   #3
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i would not tel her to f off...i would just chill for a while until things cool down
Good idea!
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Haha... I have thought things over, and I don't think she's gonna try to call me... but if she does, I will definately attempt to at least at first be very calm and soothing...
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Old 07-06-2002, 01:45 PM   #5
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Lightbulb hey Merlin........jmho............

Get rid of all evidence that you had anything to do with (said friend,and the drug deal.Do not attempt to contact or have any correspondence with (friend or his mother).If your friend was trustworthy(in a wisdom sorta way)his mother would never have seen the messages,and you would not have been implicated.Confidentiality is an aquired behavioral process,which,from my perspective takes years of nurturing,that youth,quite frankly,doesn't hold as valuable as peer status,something that changes as we grow.(an idealistic assumption,and generalization, of maturity).As far as your rights being violated.......too bad.You don't have a leg to stand on,sorry.
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Old 07-27-2002, 12:25 AM   #6
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Why even talk to her? She's just someone's parent - and not your parent at that. If she calls, just say you don't care to speak with her. Or tell your folks that she's made threats to you and you don't care to talk to her, and don't take calls from her at all. [Don't let the ring of the phone drive you into action - it's just a phone.]
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[Don't let the ring of the phone drive you into action - it's just a phone.]


Not a bad point.
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Old 07-27-2002, 07:43 AM   #8
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Just as a little update... I haven't had any contact with the guy's mom, but I've heard from friends that he's basically got her convinced I'm a regular drug dealer as well as god knows what else. Oh well.. as long as nothing comes of it, I don't care what this guy's mom thinks..
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I guess he isn't much of a friend if he is convincing his mom that you are a drug dealer. Sometimes when this stuff happens it is a good thing - you found out that he isn't really much of a friend and is just out for his own image.

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i'd definatly be a lot more careful about contacting your dealer and pulling large deals through for a bit. if she wanted, she could try to get the cops to investigate you and your "dealer friend", which might not be too good.

usually though, they dont care what 1 mother has to say on account of a MSN messenger conversation... but you never know...

i wonder why your friend didnt stick up for you, and for pot in general?
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