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bloodshoteyez

This is a question for any LEOs. Have you ever seen someone actually smoking out of a pipe/bong (whatever) while they are driving? Almost every day i will look over at the car next to me while at a stop light and i will see and older guy or just older people smoking out of one of those wooden type sherlock holmes pipes. Im pretty sure they are using it for tobacco, but what would most police officers do in this situation? what if i was to buy one of those pipes but instead fill it with some weed? how is anyone going to know? im pretty sure these older people that i see (around 60-70) have never been bothered about it, so what about someone thats 19 like myself? I think that would be age discrimination right there if i was pulled over.. i dunno im just rambling, so if ya understand what i mean, please help me out. Would a glass pipe make you more suspicious of what someone is smoking rather then a wooden pipe with tobacco? have you ever pulled someone over that you thought was smoking weed and it turned out to be tobacco? what happend?

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Herb Ninja

I have another question, is it legal to smoke tobacco on a motorcycle or moped?

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Niteshift

"Have you ever seen someone actually smoking out of a pipe/bong (whatever) while they are driving?"

More than just a couple of times.

"what if i was to buy one of those pipes but instead fill it with some weed? how is anyone going to know?"

If I smell it................and yes, you'd be amazed how easy it is to smell, especially if you don't smoke it.

Or I can just drop back and watch your driving (spare me the "I drive better with weed" rants, my experience tells me different).

"Would a glass pipe make you more suspicious of what someone is smoking rather then a wooden pipe with tobacco?"

Yep.

"have you ever pulled someone over that you thought was smoking weed and it turned out to be tobacco?"

Nope.

"is it legal to smoke tobacco on a motorcycle or moped?"

I've never seen a law that said you couldn't. Can't imagine why your couldn't.

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bloodshoteyez

thanks for the help. i'm still curious though. what if someone was driving perfectly fine and you saw them hitting a wooden pipe and they are a teenager. what would you do? what if you followed them and they failed to make any traffic errors? would seeing them hitting a pipe from across an intersection or while driving past them give you probable cause to pull them over even though you couldn't smell anything when you saw them hitting the pipe since their window was rolled up and your driving which would make it impossible to smell it.
you said that you have pulled people over many times for smoking out of a pipe/bong, what type of Probable cause did you have in those cases? were you actually close enough to their car to determine what was inside their pipe? if your smoking and driving at the same time, would you get arrested right away or just a ticket? thanks!!!

K9Copper

Again, here is the misunderstanding of the law by some of you. To pull someone over, you need Reasonable Suspicion, not PC. So in other words if I can articulate why I believed criminal activity could have been afoot, etc., it is legal for me to make the stop. Now to do a search of the vehicle you would need PC. So as an example, "I observed a vehicle with the driver smoking from a pipe that through my training and experience I have known to be used to smoke marijuana. I performed a traffic stop and upon approaching the vehicle I asked the driver for his DL, etc. Upon the window being rolled down I smelled a strong odor of Marijuana......." Now, if it turned out to be tobacco, then the person is free to go. My initial suspicion was not confirmed, I have no legal basis to detain the person any longer and they are free to leave. Also, 90% of the people make some form of traffic violation or have an equipment violation, so that is just another piece added to it being a legal stop. Also, it is the good old driving is a privilege, not a right, so a police officer has the right to make sure that you legally possess a DL, insurance, etc.

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bloodshoteyez

"My initial suspicion was not confirmed, I have no legal basis to detain the person any longer and they are free to leave."

-what would happen if your suspicion was confirmed? would the person be arrested or given a ticket?

"So as an example, "I observed a vehicle with the driver smoking from a pipe that through my training and experience I have known to be used to smoke marijuana."

-what if it was a pipe known to be used to smoke tobacco (wooden pipe) that the person was smoking from, are you able to pull the person over then based on that alone?

K9Copper

To the first part, yes, you would be arrested. It would be for the possession and for DUI.

Second question, too many variables and hypotheticals possible that aren't worth getting in to. Typing answers on the computer, and what you would actually do on the street from what you observe are 2 totally different situations.

Leithreas

ok, not saying that i do, because i dont even have a liscense, but i was wondering how much better it would be to smoke a blunt while driving.

ive seen people smoking cigars while driving, and they look almost exactly like blunts. cigarettes and joints look different, and well, with pipes, thats just stupid....

so would blunts work better? or would an LEO still have the same probability of pulling someone over with a blunt than with a pipe/joint?

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An 18 year old kid cruising in his pimped out Toyota bassing it with Eminem with his hat turned backwards and the ghetto lean, yes, you will get a second look

HappyMan

and people wonder why they get pulled over....and complain when they do.

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