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Old 11-03-2007, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default Does Anybody Know Anything About Bong Laws(Shipping, Selling, etc.)?

Howdy, folks. I'm a Bong Master, which is a fancy term I just made up this second for a person who creates bongs. I've sold several just to enthralled co-smokers, but I'd like to expand and sell them out wider.

I've searched "bong laws" and "it's legal to ship a bong" and "you can't ship a bong" and every other word combo I can think of to find laws on this subject, and so far all I've determined is that you don't, by God, ship a bong to Pennsylvania.

Does anybody know anything about this subject, or a listing of state-by-state laws, or anything, or have any advice at all?

Thaaaaaaaaaaaanks!
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:42 PM   #2
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As long as the bong is not intended to be used for the smoking of any number of illegal substances, it should be legal. It's not just about if illegal residue is in the pipe in a lot of areas...that's all I really know.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:08 PM   #3
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Tommy Chong went to federal prison for nine months for the crime of selling bongs across state lines.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:14 PM   #4
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I would think that as long as you say for tobacco use only and there was no resin in it, i dont see how it could be illegal.
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Great! That's what I'll tell my cellmate, "you would think that as long as you say for tobacco use only and there was no resin in it, I didnt see how it could be illegal."

See, it's just like the liquor laws, different everywhere. Like in Colorado, you can drink until 2 am at any bar; but in Utah, you have to meet a member of the LDS church in some dark parking garage, pay him $20, and he gives you the secret knock for the local speakeasy. Or something like that.

Anyway, there has to be a state-by state list, somewhere ...?

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Old 11-04-2007, 01:32 AM   #6
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If it's called a bong it's paraphernalia, if it's called a water pipe it's a tobacco smoking
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:46 AM   #7
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I would think that as long as you say for tobacco use only and there was no resin in it, i dont see how it could be illegal.
You don't? Check out federal law:
[U.S. Code]
[Title 21, Sec 863]
[Release Date: Aug 6, 2004]

Drug Paraphernalia - Sec. 863

In general
It is unlawful for any person
to sell or offer for sale drug paraphernalia;
to use the mails or any other facility of interstate commerce to transport drug paraphernalia; or
to import or export drug paraphernalia.

Penalties
Anyone convicted of an offense under subsection (a) of this section shall be imprisoned for not more than three years and fined under title 18.

Seizure and Forfeiture
Any drug paraphernalia involved in any violation of subsection (a) of this section shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture upon the conviction of a person for such violation. Any such paraphernalia shall be delivered to the Administrator of General Services, General Services Administration, who may order such paraphernalia destroyed or may authorize its use for law enforcement or educational purposes by Federal, State, or local authorities.

''Drug paraphernalia'' defined
The term ''drug paraphernalia'' means any equipment, product, or material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing, producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled substance, possession of which is unlawful under this subchapter. It includes items primarily intended or designed for use in ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing marijuana, (FOOTNOTE 1) cocaine, hashish, hashish oil, PCP, or amphetamines into the human body, such as :

metal, wooden, acrylic, glass, stone, plastic, or ceramic pipes with or without screens, permanent screens, hashish heads, or punctured metal bowls;
water pipes
carburetion tubes and devices
smoking and carburetion masks
roach clips: meaning objects used to hold burning material, such as a marihuana cigarette, that has become too small or too short to be held in the hand
miniature spoons with level capacities of one-tenth cubic centimeter or less
chamber pipes
carburetor pipes
electric pipes
air-driven pipes
chillums
bongs
ice pipes or chillers
wired cigarette papers; or
cocaine freebase kits

Matters considered in determination of what constitutes drug paraphernalia
In determining whether an item constitutes drug paraphernalia, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following may be considered:

instructions, oral or written, provided with the item concerning its use
descriptive materials accompanying the item which explain or depict its use
national and local advertising concerning its use
the manner in which the item is displayed for sale
whether the owner, or anyone in control of the item, is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products
direct or circumstantial evidence of the ratio of sales of the item(s) to the total sales of the business enterprise
the existence and scope of legitimate uses of the item in the community; and
expert testimony concerning its use

Exemptions
This section shall not apply to :
any person authorized by local, State, or Federal law to manufacture, possess, or distribute such items; or
any item that, in the normal lawful course of business, is imported, exported, transported, or sold through the mail or by any other means, and traditionally intended for use with tobacco products, including any pipe, paper, or accessory
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First off, I dont see how you can start out a law with "In general"

Secondly, that law just confuses me. Wouldnt that mean that all headshops that sell pipes and bongs are doing it illegally?
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buzzby i belive you just proved him right with that, but from what you say it sounds like you are trying to prove him wrong(correct me if im the wrong one)

but in their it says that it may not be used for CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES tabbaco is not a controlled substance that is why you can go in a store and by a bong or pipe of vaporizer or what ever else you want

so long as it is NOT inteded for use with an illegal substance such as marijuana or other off topic drugs it is not considered illegal or illicit in any way

yes it may be considered high interest if you put a pot leaf design on it but as long as you sell or distribute it as for tabbaco or legal drugs only then they cannot do anything

yes you may get harrassed by them but legaly as long as it is only for tabbaco or other legal drugs then they by their own laws can do nothing


and get a licence to distribute tabbaco products you will be fin
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:56 PM   #10
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Secondly, that law just confuses me. Wouldnt that mean that all headshops that sell pipes and bongs are doing it illegally?
Technically, they probably are. There are very few busts for manufacturing/distributing/selling paraphernalia because they are very difficult to try in court because of "Matters considered in determination of what constitutes drug paraphernalia".

The federal operation that netted Tommy Chong also picked up 50 other people. Most were never tried and Chong was the only one who got any jail time. This was obviously a show trial, trying to make a point by jailing a highly visible, famous, iconic cannabis supporter. If backfired. Chong was a popular and pampered celebrity in jail and has since made a lot of money with a comedy tour and book about the experience.
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