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ssj3gotenks

Hey what up friends,

This is one of the best stories I could ever tell a person... (I copied, pasted, and edited this from my MySpace Blog to here) you can get there though at MySpace.com Blogs - Ssj3g0tenks, CCNA MySpace Blog

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I just got back from grocery shopping a publix near me like 30 minutes ago.. Now what makes this grocery to be unlike any grocery store i've every been to is that every single time i'm there, a Snobb County police officer is always there and I've always been curious why.

So at this time i'm 3/4 of the way done with my grocery shopping when I see the PO there who was a white, late 20's, nerdy, and what seemed to me a socially-challenged female. This description of her was PERFECT for this whole thing. Below is the conversation where "J" is me and "PO" is her. Note that there were three different times that I went up to her to say something. Also note that a quote appearing in forest green color represents an epicly awesome and powerful statement/question and red color represents something the PO said/asked that I felt was intriguing to hear. If it's helps to mention also, I was very very friendly with all of the staff and very social with some of them while being professional with the PO and not raising my voice or making thoughtless insults.
Also NOTE one last thing - for some of yall who see this who know me from certains website forums who say that you don't blame the officer for how detrimental prohibition is to society, you blame the laws that are written. This conversation I had below is something that will make you think twice about this. While I do agree to a 50% extent, I believe it is both to blame, with a 3rd factor of greedy, self-centered politicians.

1st run-in with PO:

J: "Hello hey how are you doing tonight?"
PO: "Good how are you?"
J: "I have to be feeling, as I as of yesterday got my CCNA Certification. It's basically a certification that will skyrocket my chances of getting a good job and pretty much covers what my major was in college. I graduated from Chattahoochee Tech last June."
PO: "Well, so is something to do computers?"
J: "Yes, it's basically the whole jist of getting devices like PC's, routers, and switches to communicate with each other. But that's the main thing it's about and theres really a whole lot more involved in that."
PO: {in a monetary, fake tone of voice for a compliment} "Well, congradulations"
J: "Thank you. So anyway, I have a question. I know it's usually from what I hear rude to ask females there age but I'm just dying to know, how old are you?"
PO: "Well how old do you think I am?"
J: "Hmm, I dunno. Late 20's??"
PO: "Yep that's right"
J: "So since you've been a police officer, have you ever arrested anyone before?"
PO: {chuckling} - "I've been a police officer for 7 years"
J: "wow, 7 years in cobb county?"
PO: "No, I've worked for Atlanta PD before I came hear"

{NOTE: for those who don't know this - The City of Atlanta is pretty much all in Fulton County (and some of ATL in a small area in DeKalb) and Cobb County is a county northwest of it}

J: "So I'm wondering, as a police officer there in Atlanta vs. here in cobb county, is there a difference in terms of your method of policing in terms of how you treat people?"
PO: "No, I do all I can to treat everyone the same"
J: "Oh ya by the way just to let you know I took criminal justice in high school for a couple semesters"
PO: "Oh ok"
J: "You know, from what I see you seem like an overall nice person, I'd just be curious to know what your like if you were pulling me over."
PO: {said something I can't remember along the lines of she's not going to tell me}
J: "Okay well here's another question for ya. If somebody commits a crime where no victim is involved, say a misdemeanor, not anything like shoplifting, but something like possesssion of marijuana under an ounce, and your the one arresting them, how does it make you feel to know what you are doing?
PO: {Astonished by my change of question} - "Well do you have less than an ounce of marijuana on you?"
J: "No" {replied in a "why are you asking me this" way}
PO: "Do you have marijuana in your car?"
J: "No"
PO: "Do you use marijuana?"
J: "Noooo"
PO: "Well do you that it affects your body just like alcohol?"
J: "No I've never tried it before but I have friends that do and they are great people who live great, productive lives and either or both do excellent in school and hold down great jobs while giving back to the community."
{NOTE: i HAD to lie to her about me and my mj use to be able to ask her this next question. By the way, the last time fyi i smoked the ganj was the day I was arrested in april of '05 and that includes every mind-altering substance (even tho i've never tried hard shit b4 like blow, ice, h, etc}
J: "So i have no idea what it's like which is why hearing you tell me about what it does. But let me ask you, have you ever tried smoking marijuana?"
PO: "No I have not"
J: "Well then how do you know what it's like if you've never tried it?"
PO: "Well i've learned about it in classes and I've taught a class about it"
J: "OH OKAY {becoming more professionally stronger in my debate voice} how can you stand here and tell me what marijuana does to you when you've never tried it yourself? And just to let you know, marijuana is safer than alcohol bec... {she cuts me off}
PO: "No it is not safer than alcohol. But if you don't smoke it, why are you talking to me about all this?"
J: "Because I am the kind of person that addresses things he feels are wrong about society. I see all the people that are true role models who have suffered so much unnecessary pain and anguish because of what people like you do to them by locking them up and throwing damaging their chances of good job placement, money for college, and all the other things involved in arresting someone just for possession of marijuana. And thus, in my opinion, there a millions of these cases where it's not them making their and/or their families' lives unmanageable, but really the government, or specifically law enforcement like yourself that make their lives unmanageable"[/color]
J: "But hey if you'll excuse me, I've got to move on with my grocery shopping. You have a good on" {I then walk off with my grocery cart into nearby aisle}
PO: "Okay"

{NOTE: During this time, I am in the Soda aisle picking out various sodas, one of them being Cherry Coke Zero which is important to remember for the 3rd/last run-in with the PO}
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2nd run-in with PO:

{Note: I realized something that I really wanted to say to her so I went back up to where she was still standing at - the SW corner of the grocery store near customer service and the refrigerated/frozen foods and drinks to talk to her again}

J: "Hey whats up hey there something that I really want to say in response to earlier. I find it really funny how right after I asked you about your expierence with arresting marijuana users you start questioning me about if I have weed on me after you just told me that you try to treat everybody fair"
PO: "Well how have I treated you as not fair?"
J: If I went up to you and asked you a question about Tide laundry detergent, and didn't have any sign of having or using marijuana, would you be still be questioning me about if I have weed on me?
PO: "Well, it's not illegal to be have Tide on you"
J: "Okay FIRST OF ALL, ya but it's not illegal for someone to mention what their political opinion is on the humungous toll that cannabis prohibition has costed this country. And secondly, don't you think that if I had pot on me i wouldn't go up to and spark this conversation?
PO:"Well you'd be surprised to hear..."
J: {cutting her off} "But anyways, said everything I want to say so I'm going to finish my grocery shopping now"
PO: "Okay then"
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{Note: at this point, I have left the PO for the 2nd time and realized that there is one last thing before I leave Publix that I want to say to her. I did, however, want something to start a conversation totally unrelated to what I've been saying to her so she would pay me just a little more attention}

3rd/last run-in with PO:

{Critical Note: When I walked back to where we were talking before, she wasn't there. I search all around the southern area of the grocery store, passing all the cashiers, when I see her on the opposite side of the store - the NW corner where the deli and produce are. Hehe, she probably was there to avoid me. But the critical point is, I walked with my cart once I noticed her to the aisle to the left of her so she couldn't see me approach her. When i'm like 15 feet from her and still unnoticed, I see her talking to some 30-something year old guy about what I was mentioning to her. I know this because I heard in the dialogue between the two: (1) her saying to him about something that's a bad drug and (2) his response to her agreeing with what she's saying in a tone that's like ya-whatever-i'm-agreeing-to-shut-you-up. So I go up to her and the following conversation below occurs...


J: "Hey you see this soda. Cherry Coke Zero, and I gotta tell ya, it tastes great! I highly recommend it. By the way, I just want to tell you that when I go to bed tonight, I'm going to say a prayer for all the people and their families who have been victimized and devastated by people like yourself when they should have been helping out people like they always do instead of being locked up with a bunch of rapist and murderers at the expense of us tax payers. But hey you have a good one" {NOTE: I then walk off toward the cashier to pay for my $80 worth of food and toiletries. And while about 10 feet from her walking away, I hear her say...}
PO: "Well you can tell your friends!..."

{I keep walking like i'm not listening and then turning into an aisle so she can't even see me anymore. I heard her drop what she was going to say. I am just glad that guy there didn't butt in.}

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Conclusion (Analysis)

This is a prime example of what it means to me to be Jewish. As my Mom has told me before, it is my duty as a Jew to stand and speak out for something I think is wrong, as we have been treated the worst out of any minority card out there. I have never pulled a "religion card" in my life where I would say to someone, "OH BECAUSE I'M JEWISH U BLAH BLAH BLAH".

Lastly, to everyone wondering, "Why care so much if you're not smoking weed or doing anything else anymore?" Besides what I mentioned above about standing up for what I feel is wrong, I have felt the feelings one feels when he or she becomes the bitch of prohibition (meaning being arrested). I have experienced the what I should never have had to go through. I have never stolen from anybody in my life - other than when I was 11 yrs old and go jack a candy bar from the local gas station near where I lived then (where my parents still live)

 

BartSimpson

By golly, you sure set her straight. Bet she won't go back to that store again.

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ssj3gotenks

yup - i sure did and I don't regret a minute of it.

steakii

Hey i live in Cobb County too. Cobb cops are dicks. Marietta PD isnt too bad though.
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I used to work at a publix near Chatt tech....maybe the same one you are talking about. Small world.



Anyways, good job on stand up for what you believe in and saying it stright to the cops face. Sadly however, this did not accomplish too much except that awesome feeling you get from arguing with a cop when you know you are right. I wish i had the balls to do that.

ssj3gotenks

I'm sorry but I disagree with this for many reasons

1. It accomplished striking a major nerve into her. I know everything I said hit her brain extremely hard based on the two responses I observed from her. (1) Hearing her conversation with that 30-something year old guy (BTW - i didn't mention it but her tone of voice when she was talking to him seemed actually frantic; and (2) when she said "well you can tell your friends..."

2. It accomplished something by professionally winning an argument/debate against someone from "the other side"

3. I would say it helped boost my self-esteem a little - i now have "bigger balls" to deal with these authority disgraces

Oh ya and you're right - small world!

Also...Marietta PD are NOT cool - i had a friend who was in a car with 4 friends and they were unjustly pulled over by MPD and one person had weed but didn't accept responsibility so EVERYONE got charged and EVERYONE was put on probation

And Secondly, If the publix your talking about is the one on South Cobb Drive & Pat Mell in Smyrna (by the Taco Bell/Pizza Hut & Burger King), then it is NOT the one. This publix was on the other side of CTC on SR280

 

ssj3gotenks

I just wanna say i would LOVE it if i BuzzBy and Troublemaker 42 shared their thoughts on this

Buzzby

Police officers enforce the laws that are on the books. They don't write them. I see little point in antagonizing people for doing their jobs.

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Noeone

Honestly I can't say I agree with the Nuremberg Defense in the least. "Just following
orders" should not make a person any less responsible for their actions, for instance
if you were ordered to execute a family and you did it I don't think you should be
treated any different then if you just put them on their knees and pulled the trigger of
your own prompting. Just my 3.44814 forints.

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In any case civilization has made mankind if not more bloodthirsty, at least more vilely, more loathsomely bloodthirsty. In old days he saw justice in bloodshed and with his conscience at peace exterminated those he thought proper. Now we do think bloodshed abominable and yet we engage in this abomination, and with more energy than ever. Which is worse? -Fyodor Dostoevsky

Trocisp

This isn't a situation for inaccurate analogs, Marijuana Prohibition isn't even remotely close to the same thing, and to imply it is lessens the horrible suffering of those millions of Gypsies, Jews and German political activists who suffered in Nazi Concentration camps.

Also, on the fact about the same punishment for someone following orders and someone who just randomly executes people - even in the real world, that's not how the Nuremberg Defense works.
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

Not to mention the facts that officers of the law must follow orders, what if cops just enforced the laws they agreed with?

see scenario a:

A KKK member in Alabama just graduated the Police Academy, he joins the State Police and is assigned in his home town of [Random Alabama Country Town]. One day, he's driving along and sees a two white men in a pick-up truck and black man hog-tied in the bed. Are you sure you want your officers to pick and choose the laws they enforce?

Zaireeka

The only problem with this statement is that you walked out on an argument while she was still talking. I'd hardly consider that "winning", though I'm not saying that her remaining points would still be viable.

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