MonarchX

Campus cops caught 4 guys smoking STUFF 30 seconds after all evidence was gone. We were detained, IDed, and questions. 1 guy admitted to smoking, but other 3 did not. Officers gave back IDs, gave us no tickets at all, and said they will call housing and we'll probobly be kicked out and etc etc....


They found no proof of STUFF and no STUFF on us.


Can legally something be done? No official ticket...

SacredJellybean

You might want to look for a second opinion, as I don't know for sure if this is the case. However, I would guess that your school holds the right to kick out whoever they please, even if it's simply on the suspicion of drug usage. There will probably not be any charges brought against you, but that might have nothing to do with whether your school decides to kick you out.

My school had a judiciary process in which students could make a plea for themselves, so perhaps you can contest it if they decide to deny you housing. If you do find yourself kicked out, just consider it a lesson learned and be glad that you can still attend the school. If they take further action and expel you... well, it goes without saying that you should do everything you can to fight it. If not, though, and you just have to find alternate living conditions, you could even consider it a blessing, as you would have a new pad in which you could probably smoke without repercussion.

Let us know how it goes, and good luck.

[edit] Upon second viewing, it looks as though you're more concerned about legal issues. I wouldn't worry if the city police themselves were never involved. You're probably fine. No evidence? I'm sure you're in the clear.

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MonarchX

I doubt the school can kick me out for SUSPICION of having weed. They can't possibly prove anything considering I was far from my dorm anyway. There is no drug test performed by school.

We usually have 3 offenses before we get kicked out but I have 0 so far.

My roommates were caught with alcohol once and campus police game special tickets to attend judiciary thing on campus (not jail or anything at all) and they had to do some stuff.

These cops gave nothing, nothing at all. I believe one was campus and all others were real.

BartSimpson

Should you take a class in argumentation, you will learn of the Fallacy of a False Dichotomy.

You suggest that the school only has two options - Suspension or doing nothing. This is hardly the case; the middle ground between these two is significant. For example, imagine how embarrassed you would be when you are lectured by the Provost, or Assistant Dean on the incident. Getting dressed down by the Administration is not pretty and a reasonable person would be embarrassed by this sort of meeting and regret it. Having to explain this meeting to your parents, because the school sent them a letter, is real problematic.

Second, you dismiss the campus police as ineffectual. This far from the truth. One of the traits that police officers are required to have is the ability to remember faces and circumstances; your face and this circumstance is permanently on this officer's brain. Hang around campus and this officer will see you - and not forget why he met you. Hang around campus and smoke "STUFF" and if this officer sees you, you are busted again.

So the best thing for you to do is recognize that you have been warned and limit your STUFF to off-campus and even then keep it on the down-low. You might tell all but your best friend that you no longer smoke and ditch any paraphernalia in you room and car.

And I wouldn't bank on having three strikes before you get kicked out; or some procedural error by the campus police saving you - the teenage trifecta has significant odds for you getting caught again. You really need to fly low and avoid the radar.

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MonarchX

Well, yeah... there is also housing probation which is what most kids get for light usage, but they get CAUGHT with possessions of at least something. The only evidence against us is the smell. Besides, they got to us way after we did it. We were not caught on the spot and didn't start running or try to hide anything.

I am likely to be taken to campus court which isn't a real court and from what it seems I will be 100% clean of THC by then and I will deny any usage. What evidence do they have besides SMELL?

They are not supposed to be sending parental letters if you are over 21 and if you found NOT responsible/guilty through campus judicial system.

BTW, one of the guys was DUTCH, and he just kept laughing because to him that was unheard of...

And I would not be embarrassed because first of all there is no proof and second of all I was born and raised where cannabis is just some funky grass and doing it isn't part of my morals. Its like feeling embarrassed about eating apples which I can't be.

I DID learn my lesson though, so its cool. I have to stop anyway because of my financial business major and internships at a bank.

BartSimpson

My friend Monarch - none of this is personal, but I hope you will allow me to dissect your response. You seem very bright and intelligent and this might be a good debate with you.

So let me get this straight - you did it. You admit you did it. You just think that some traditional rule of physical evidence will apply and get you off from something that you actually did. Better hope they don't have a security camera nearby. A folly of youth is the expectation that Constitutional Rights will protect bad behavior.

The smell is evidence - do you think that the Officer's testimony that he smelled the distinctive odor of MJ on you will not have any merit in this judicial process? Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was in college, I served three years as the student representative on the school's Judicial Board. We saw a steady stream of violations such as your experience and took the officer's (or teacher's) word above the students - because the students would lie their ass off it they thought they could get away with it. What always amazed me was the second or third offense within months and the same denial, as if we believed it the first time.

But you did what they accuse you of, and you seem to hang so much on a lack of physical evidence - what happens if they produce a witness that saw you do it? You would be surprised how suddenly "friends" roll over and go belly up for mercy. And your reply indicates that you would not want your parents to know. School Authorities know this as the students Achilles Heel, and it makes a good target.

You might want to review both local and Dutch law because it is not what you or your Dutch friend might think.

Your embarrassment is because you will be sitting there in front of an authoritarian figure, hat in hand, trying to lie your way out of something you actually did. You should be embarrassed because you have to lie, and that lying is part of your sketchy morals - bearing false witness to some is a mortal sin. If MJ is just some funky grass, why don't you stand there and tell that to the man.

Funny what motivates some folks. You write well and deserve to go very far with your education - you will do well! Because honesty is the backbone of the financial industry; who am I kidding - that lying thing is common.

Viper420

They know who you are now. You will probably get high again on campus and then you might not be so lucky.
BTW...the Dutch kid is ignorant and you might want to educate him in reference to our drug laws.

chadwick

since your friend admitted to it make sure he says he is the only one who was smoking cause he will get in some trouble for it, you cant smoke on school property not even a cig, but as far as getting kicked out thats just them trying to scare you, most of the time it will be detention or some crap like that, it happened to my brothers friend he just got a referal that said "smoking in the south parking lot" and a phone call home and detention so nothing much

MonarchX

How about this:

I admit and show them countless bills, referrals, and physical therapy, and medical notes from over 5 different facilities regarding sever muscle knots/spasms in my left trap?

It hurts and MJ helps me greatly. I was never prescribed it or recommended it. I just tried it and it made the pain go away and it helps with muscle relaxation.

Darque Pervert

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