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t-1000

Ok, so we all know that the best thing for everyone is to keep your ganja rolled into joints. The joints are kept in your hand or shirt pocket (somewhere very close) and ready for swallowing in case an officer pulls you over.

Unfortunately, sometimes we have to have a bag on us. It's just reality. Not every dealer will come to your house, and sometimes you want to go to a friend's house and match him with a vaporizer or bong etc... So what about those times you HAVE to bring weed somewhere in non-edible form.

So, we have a few choices, and I would like input on which is best and why. I have done alot of searching and reading, but have still not come to a straight conclusion on this one.

We start by assuming that the car is completely clean and orderly, no smoke smell or seeds lying around. Now we have a sack of bud, what do we do with it?

1) Keep it on yourself. It's a small bag and it could be stuffed into your underwear, shoes, armpit (needs securing) etc... This has the benefit that even allowing an officer to search everything including yourself will result in nothing. What if the officer asks to search and threatens to call a K9?

Problems:
a) A dog can smell it. Get pulled over by a K9 and you're probably screwed, right? The dogs do sniff the driver as well as the car, correct?
b) Must be a small bag concealed somewhere a pat search will not find it. No good when you have an oz on you.

2) Keep it in an out of reach and locked section of the vehicle. This really just means the trunk of your car. I have heard some people say that when an officer searches the vehicle they do not check the trunk. I have also heard they do. This method allows large amounts.

Problems:
a) K9
b) What if they do search the trunk?

3) Keep it stashed inside the car. This requires a very good hiding place and is probably the worst option. The problems are obvious, as there really is no good place to hide something in the cab of a vehicle.

4) Get very creative... How about mounting a metal (aluminum) or glass box underneath the vehicle, and possibly vacuum sealing the weed. Would a dog alert on a small hidden box underneath the vehicle in the event of a general walkaround type search? Would this help prevent K9 operators from finding your stash with false alerts?

If you allowed an officer to search your vehicle, do they go so far as to inspect the under-carriage section? It seems like even if they did you could locate a small metal box where it would not be noticed.

Any other possibilites? How about some combination of the above mentioned options? Assume you have a relatively unlimited amount of time and money to prepare a vehicle for moving some marijuana. Considering how this is about the only way a disciplined toker can get busted randomly, I think it deserves having plenty of thought put into it.

I'm currently studying mechanical engineering, and specializing in materials, so the possibility of designing something to aid this endeavor is very real.

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dedbr

First off, let's start with this. It's damn near impossible to beat the dog. His smeller will detect anything that's not vacuum sealed at least three times and covered with a masking agent.

Even then, every time you vacuum seal, you must wash with a good antibacterial soap. This includes the package and your hands....

As far as a car stash, I have had real good luck with under the hood, secured under the mess on the firewall. Use duct tape to secure the bag, and it should be all good.

If your that lousy of a driver or the cops have you pegged and are watching for you, you will take the risk of a search. Why bother? If your riding dirty, your riding dirty, just go on about your business and don't sweat the small stuff.

I know this though, the police in my area have so many calls to answer that they very seldom have time for traffic patrol, which means that when you see one, he's probably on the way to a call. You must really fuck up to have one pull you over around here because they simply don't have the manpower to cover it.

To me this is the big one though, the teenage trifecta. A car and kids and their all laughing. Sure bust for a cop. They can smell it.....

One last thing. If you don't have to, don't drive at night, period. At night, things cool down and the cops have more time to be looking for those trifecta's........


Some Where In Ded Land..........

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TemplarProphet

I know that in my state, a police officer cannot search someones car without their consent. Our police dept. has a history of legal issues, so they usually wont search your car for proabable cause unless they actually see something obivious.

Otherwise, officers need a warrant form a judge. My uncle is a veteran officer and he said its not that hard to get a warrant, he usually makes people wait around two hours while he calls in request on phone. Messed up isin't it?

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dedbr

Ok, Templar, you didn't say what state you are in. In Ohio, if you are asked to allow them to search your car and refuse, they will say that's fine, cuff you and put you in the back of the car and call the dog. They DO NOT need a search warrant in my state to use the dog.

If the dog alerts on something in the car, that gives them probable cause to search the vehicle, just because the dog alerted. Then you are busted and it's all perfectly legal. Of course I don't agree with this at all, but you are not safe in your person or personal effects as the Fourth Amendment says because of the laws that have been passed to combat the supposed drug problem.

We have lost more personal freedoms because of the drug war than any other thing in the history of this country........

By the way, the reason these laws were passed is from police pressure that they put on politicians to take away our freedoms in order to do their job. It's a question of misuse of power, but I don't make the laws, just bitch like hell when they try to pass them and bitch like hell when another freedom guaranteed by the Constitution is flushed down the toilet to help combat the drug war.

A good look at the drug laws of your state is the best answer to using the laws against them. Really burns them up when you know more about the law than they do, which has happened on this site a few times in my conversations with Law enforcement. They really like to think their knowledge of the law is greater than ours, and when you know more, it makes you prepared for some shaky shit they might try and pull.

For some reason, I have found a quick answer to the question, "Mind if I search the car?' in the affirmative usually makes them think you have nothing, so they won't even bother with it. Not that it works all the time, especially if someone has snitched and they know that you are "riding dirty."
That happens a lot around here, so be cautious about what you say or do in a group. Never, and I mean never, do a deal in public, (that means in a group). A smart dealer will never do a deal in front of anybody anyway, because if two people see it that is called co-oberating testimony in court, and with two people testifying to a deal, you don't have much chance of winning. That large group of people will always have one or two people that are feeding info to the cops about the drug activity. They get busted with something, so instead of keeping silent and not saying anything, they give up info to the law to get away with a petty crime, (usually possesion),
and put their problems on someone else.

The police will lie and use psychological pressure to make you talk, but simply refuse to answer any questions and they will either book you or let you go as long as you don't do what everybody else does, and that is tell them what they want to know. After you have snitched, they probably will book you anyway, and then tell you as a reward for selling your soul and snitching on your friends, they will mention to the judge, usually in open court where everybody can see you doing the dirty, and so they are really uncaring about you or your situation.

Never believe that a cop is on your side or just trying to help you. It's an out and out lie. Ninety-nine percent of the people incarcirated in prisons or institutions have told on theirselves. That's a fact.

Also, just another fact that may make you think is that eighty-five percent of the felony arrests made in this country are from common traffic stops. Eighty-five percent. So really the best thing to do is be extremely careful when driving, and don't drive if your really wasted, because a cop that's been on the job for a few years can see a stoner coming from a mile away......

Any other questions and I will be glad to help. I have a good bit of experience with the law and the legality of the laws as applied to us stoners.....


Some Where In Ded Land............

TemplarProphet

Honestly I dont know why people on here are so afraid of dogs. In my whole life I have never seen a k-9 officer in my town. I have also never had a friend that got caught up due to a k-9. I think it depends on where you live.

 

Buzzby

Not true. They can't search your car without your consent unless there is a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed or if you are put under arrest. If you don't give consent, they'll bring in a dog, say he alerted on your vehicle, and search it.

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I'm DEFINITELY scared of k9 units. Due to the high volume of drug traffic on I90, the south dakota highway patrol makes several BIG drug seizures every year. Because of that, they are "rewarded" with more drug interdiction funding, which, in recent years, has seemed to go towards the purchase of several K9 units. I've only personally encoutered a k9 unit once, but I SEE them everywhere I go. Many county and city departments also have drug dogs. Theres a reason I'm deathly afriad of k9 units, and thats because no matter where I am, theres a drug detection dog likely tio be in the near vacinity. A refusal to allow a search, like ded pointed out, results in a dog coming to the scene. AS I've posted elsewhere in this forum, I don't trust the average K9 as far as I could throw it. In the ONLY study I've found regfarding their effectiveness, the dogs showed a tendency to false indicate up to 50% of the time in some situations. If thats not scary, i don't know what is

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dedbr

I can say this for sure about a K-9, their noses are really great. I agree with the TM about them being unreliable on occasion........but let me give you a case in point.....

I had just got done with a delivery to a friend, and as usual, I had the herb in the trunk of the car. I emptied out the ashtray of my car that had some kind roaches in it and we enjoyed a nice fat hooter.

I sat with him and played some video poker, then was oughty and on my way back home. I was at his house for about two hours, so I probably reeked of herb, but you know how that is, you don't really notice it, but the odor of herb is un-mistakable, especially skunk....

I see what looks like a Bronco or something like that, a four wheel drive, but didn't pay that much attention. Too late, he hits the lights and it's a sheriff with a dog! That's the reason for the Bronco, old boy had to have a pen for the dog......

Long story short, he asked me for my license and stuff, which I had ready. He hit me with the flashlight to check the picture, then asks that dreaded question, "Have you been smoking marijuana tonight sir?"

Of course I said no, then he says, "Well that's funny, because I detect a strong odor of it coming from you, or your vehicle. Don't mind if I search the car do you?"

Knowing that my car was clean as whistle, and I had nothing on me, I said sure, go right ahead. This was before O.V.I. in Ohio was also a urine screen test, so I knew he couldn't get me for that.

He gets the dog and goes to the car as I watched from the front of the Bronco, in cuffs.

The dog hit on the trunk before the cop had a chance to get him to the car door. He was loosing it. The cop turned around and looked at me and grinned. "Whats in the trunk, sir."

"Nothing officer, like to look?" I just grinned right back.

I walked over and popped the trunk. Of course, for my safety and his, , at this time he re-cuffed me behind my back, and escorted me to the passenger seat and belted me in. I didn't think I had that much stuff in the trunk, and he took out every bit. The dog didn't hit on anything. He put the dog in the trunk; still nothing.

He walks back to the Bronco and says, "Where's the drugs at? You might as well tell me, because we'll just rip it up until we find it."

"Officer, on my word, there are no illegal drugs or contraband in my vehicle."

"Ok, if that's the way you want it...."

He shut the door and called for back-up. About ten minutes later, a sergeant came along and hit his lights and rolled to a stop in front of us. It just so happened that he was a round ball buddy from high school, and after getting the word from the K-9 cop, he walks back and pops the door.

"Dedbr, ya gonna make us trash your car or just gonna show us where it's at and save us all a long night?"

"Carl, there isn't anything illegal, drugs or otherwise, in my car. I give you my word."

Now since he knew me, and always figured I was fairly honest, he gave me a funny look and said, "You're telling me the truth, aren't you?"

"Yep."

"Well we have to search anyway, you know that, but I hope for your sake that your not lying. I always liked you when we played ball."

I had a joint in my smokes a few hours before, and when the dog hit the front seat, he hit on the pack on the console. They pulled it out and before they had a chance to check them, he hit on the ashtray that I had completely emptied a couple hours ago.

They thought they had me, but the look on their faces was priceless as they found nothing.....

They must have been mad, because all of a sudden, another sheriff was pulling up, and they went to town on my car. Everything that wasn't nailed down they pulled out and threw in front of the dog. Nothing. Not even a seed, and believe me, they were looking. They had their pudgy faces right next to the carpet.

After they had trashed my stuff and opened every tape case, they just stood there a minute and had a discussion about what they were going to do. It had been two hours now almost, and they didn't have anything to show for it but my trashed car, and me grinning in the front seat of their Bronco.

Carl came back to me, and he was grinning as wide as I was. "You're telling the truth about there being nothing in the car, aren't you?"

"Yep"

"But what did you have in it, marijuana?"

"Nope. I didn't have anything in it like that. I bet your dogs got the sniffles or something, huh?" Me, still grinning.

"C'mon," he said.

He took me out of the Bronco and unhooked me. "Go ahead and load your stuff back up. You're free to go."

I just stood there for a minute, and then said, "You guys want to help out a little bit, since your the ones made the mess?"

"Don't push your luck. Just go ahead and load your stuff and leave." They just stood and watched as I loaded my stuff. Later I was to find out that this was procedure, as they are watching to see if you put something in a certain place, and they also want to see what you go to first to put back, because thats what they figure the dope is in.

They watched me, but I didn't do anything, just grumbled about how heavy the flat spare tire was as I finally got the last bit in.

"Now, I have a question before I go. What the hell was I pulled over for?"

"Driving too slow."

"Your kidding, right?'

"No. Drunks usually drive slow because they don't want to wreck. Happens all the time. That's how we know their drunk."

I drove away knowing two things........I was damn lucky that I hadn't been pulled over on the way down to my bro's, and dogs have damn good noses. That doesn't mean they can't be wrong, though, just like TM says.......

He smelled the herb everywhere it had been in or on the car. He alerted to all the right spots and places, but he was still wrong. I didn't have anything in the vehicle. For about two hours we had sat and wasted all that time looking for something. The dog couldn't tell them that it wasn't there now, but it had been. So I guess that makes the cops wrong for believing the dog.

I will say this though. It was my first experience with a dog, and I was impressed. I learned a valueable lesson that night though, and that was that you can't beat the dog when he's searching your car.

You can beat him in the house, but that's another story......


Some Where In Ded Land.........

troublemaker_42

LOL...great story Ded! I agree that a dog's nose can be scarily accurate, but when my freedom, time, patience, etc is on the line, a failure rate approaching 50% just won't do! My only encounter with a K9 unit involved me unknowingly speeding. I was following what I thought was the speed limit, but the road switched from 65 to 55 shortly before I met the Trooper. I made a casual comment to my wife when we met the k9 unit, and a 1/2 mile or so down the road made a not so casual comment that she needed to eat that joint as of NOW!!! I didn't have anything else in the vehicle, and I didn't get to see the dog in action. The officer asked permission, and I knew full and well that the dog would be deployed if I denied. Knowing that the dog would likely pick up the scent of the recently deceased joint, I didn't want to pull a ded an sit there for 2 hours waiting for them to find nothing. Instead, I consented, and rather than deploying the dog, the officer made a VERY basic search of the vehicle, looking in only the most obvious spots (under the seat, glovebox, ashtray, center console). That time, consenting actually saved me a considerable hassle rather than caused one.

t-1000

So basically, if you take more than you can swallow... you're just rolling the dice. No other way about it.

Ok, so it seems the best choices are:

1) only take what you can eat in an instant
or
2) if you have to transfer alot, stash it in a small secured box somewhere in the car, and somewhere difficult to access. IF you are stopped, trust in your stashing spot and let the cop search your car... be very confident that you "have nothing to hide"

on top of that, to attempt added security, use latex/vinyl gloves and go through a procedure of multiple vacuum seals with intermittent washing in heavy duty soap/isopropyl alcohol. this is just an attempt at reducing the risk of a K9 finding your stash, if one appears.

Thanks for the input so far! I will be researching materials that are effective aroma barriers. Once diffusion is eliminated, the issue then becomes decontaminating the exterior of the container.