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Im not sure if this was answered before but I tried the search button and nothing really came up.

If you are ever buying weed from an unfamiliar source if you ask the person if they are a cop do they have to asnwer? and if they say no and they really are is this considered entrapment?

Can someone please explain this..

Thanks

 

Bakednfried

I think they don't give a ****

CheebaMonkey

Undercover cops do not have to tell you that they are a cop, even if you ask them.

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hauptmann

Cops can lie and say anything they want to you.

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teco

thats why i only buy from people i personally know.

 

Virus356

entrapment is different. its something like if they ENCOURAGE the crime by making the reward disproportionately good. like offering to sell you a pound for $50 or somethin like that.

LEOs, clarifications/corrections? im probably wrong but thats what i understood it to be... i know i wasnt even very clear :/

Conine

Might check out some of Niteshift's older posts, he's talked about it at length. From what I recall it isn't entrapment if you aren't being coerced into doing it. Like they couldn't tell you to go sell some pot or they'll arrest your mother, and then arrest you for selling pot, that sort of thing. But try to find Niteshift's comments on it.

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Niteshift

Virus is in the right church, but not quite the right pew.

Conine is pretty much correct.

Since it has been a while since I've addressed this, and this question comes up a lot, it's worth touching on again.

The short answer is the police do not have to disclose their profession in while in an undercover capacity.

Where this myth got started was when a court in CA ruled that cops had to answer that question truthfully. That decision lasted about 5 minutes before the appeals court overturned it. The myth was then perpetuated by the old Mod Squad show, and a load of movies and TV shows after that.

The legal definition of entrapment (one of the most misunderstood and misused legal terms around) is to unreasonably cause someone to do something they are not pre-disposed to do.

Let's look at a few examples:

1) Joe sells pot. He's been arrested for it before. I by pot from Joe. He asks if I'm a cop and I tell him no. Joe was not unreasonably pressured to sell me the pot. His past dealings will further evidence his pre-disposition towards dealing. No entrapment.

2) Bob is a truck driver with no criminal record. His son needs an expensive heart transplant or he will die. I come to Bob and offer him $200,000 to drive 2 tons of pot from Texas to NY. He agrees and I arrest him with the load. Bob was entraped. He has no criminal past and my offer of a huge sum of money, given his childs needs is something that an honest, reasonable guy (like Bob) would find almost impossible to pass up.

3) I walk up to Sue and offer her $100 for <insert a sex act name here> and she accepts. Regardless of her criminal past, $100 is not a huge sum of money (yes, even for the homeless, so don't try it) and a reasonable person would be able to resist.

Clear as mud???

Basically, the court weighs the reasonableness of the circumstances, in their totality.

Now some people get all bent out of shape about the fact that the cops can lie. But when they complain, they are failing to look at the bigger picture.

Example: I go undercover, posing as a hitman. A woman asks me if I'm a cop and I say no. Then she offers me $10,000 to kill her husband and I arrest her.

Yeah, I lied, but I bet if you were her husband, you'd be damn glad I was allowed to.

Example: I pose as a minor on the internet and am contacted by a pedophile who wants to take nude pictures of me smeared in chocolate while I hold a teddy bear. I think we'd all agree that pedophiles are a low life form that deserve to go to jail and wouldn't care that I lied about being a 14 year old female.

So yeah, if you are looking at it only from the mj user point of view, you might say "the cops shouldn't be allowed to lie", but if you look at it in the perspective of other, more serious crimes, you can see why we need to be able to lie.

Where your problem lies is that the legal principal applies across the board from mj buyers to murder suspects.

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weedzinger

That was awesome.

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Niteshift's post is worth a reread for the imagery.

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