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troublemaker_42

Actually, individual states change their gun laws constantly. Its not "plain and simple, by ANY stretch of the imagination. While there are federal regulations concerning firearms, many decsions are left to individual states. Don't believe me? Compare California gun laws to those of South Dakota. To say that gun laws will never change is absurd. As far as seeing both sides of an argument, I see WHY people argue in favor of gun control, but I've also never seen a SUCCESSFUL gun control program in the US. The more highly restricted guns are, the higher the rates of violent crime in the area....its been proven time and again. Its not that I don't understand the WHY's of gun control, but the absolute failure of every gun control policy to date certainly makes me question the HOW's. Gun control policy is one of those things that sounds great in concept, yet fails miserably when implemented into law. I'm not a fool by any stretch of the imagination. Its just that gun control laws don't work.....period. If they did, I might have a much more open mind, but the stats show, time and again, almost without fail regardless of location, that an unarmed populace is a populace of easy victims. When honest citizens can't own guns, it does NOTHING to control criminals who obtain their guns through theft, on the black market, etc. Again, I understand....In CONCEPT....why poeple want more control on guns. However, the reality is more regulation will lead to more people being victimized.

Also, comparing it to abortion,gay marriages and whatnot is completely irrelavent. Show me the Constitutional amendment granting the right to abortion, or the right to marry the same sex. I CAN show you the basis for my argument. It was important enough it came right after freedom of speech when our forefathers laid the foundation of this country. It seemed to be of much greater importance that aborting babies or homosexuals getting married.

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phuzz01

Very good point. I have a paper published in the Journal of Contemporary Economic Policy that addresses just this issue. One of the primary regulations concerning firearms that is left to the states is who to issue a pistol permit to and how that decision is made. My co-author and I found that over half the states in the US (approx. 35) have changed their concealed carry permit laws over the past 40 years. All of those states changed from a may issue law to a shall issue law. What's more, we found that as the crime rate goes up in a state, it is MORE likely to switch to shall issue. Just goes to show that much of the country believes that an armed citizenry is one of the best ways to deter crime.

Freedom_User

'Private rep comment removed - Dark'..Not brought to school. I don't think students should have weapons in a place for learning. Because this. What if a fight were to break out between a gun holder and someone un-armed? People do things they regret while under temper.

As I, Freedom_User believes in free speech. This said, there should be guidelines. You do not smoke in front of an infant child and directly breath smoke into it's path. No, that is unethical. You do not sit next to a man, with a loaded pistol during study hall. You depend on the Police and authority figures to keep us safe in public places. Not someone who is wondering about the next keg party will be held at. Our cops, have sworn to protect and serve.

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troublemaker_42

People need to be responsible for their own actions. Do we ban cars because someone MIGHT drive drunk? I don't believe in banning something just because a small mionority may misuse the item. Lets ban steak knives,baseball bats, utility knives, etc....... After all, people aren't responsible enough to use them in the ways they are intended, so we should regulate them or ban them outright, right? Where werre the cops at Virgina Tech? They showed up in time to help count bodies, not stop the shooting. Like my sig says "When seconds count, cops are minutes away" Most school shootings end with the shooter committing suicide after his rampage. The cops don't protect anyone in such a situation, and usually arrive on the scene after the shooting stops. How is a cop 6 blocks away going to protect me form a random shooting? Other than hopefully administrating first aid, the simple answer is he/she WON'T. I depend on no person for my own protection. its foolish to blindly hand your personal safety to the police in the misguided belief that they will be shadowing you if and when you really need them. I think most cops would even agree that every person should be at least somewhat responsible for their own protection.


"I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy" John Steinbeck

feedyourhead

i don't know, all i know is that firearms make me VERY uncomfortable. i would never attend an institution where i knew that any student that i looked at could be armed. it would make me feel more unsafe than if no one was armed. strangers with guns scare the shit out of me, and i know a lot of stupid and/or unstable people who should never be in possession of a weapon, and allowing them to carry one onto campus every day would just be asinine.

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troublemaker_42

For one, not just anyone can be issued a permit to carry, Second, as we speak, you probably have neighbors who own guns, and you probably pass hundreds of armed citizens during the course of any given week. The simple fact is, you just don't know, and thats the point.....criminals never no who to target in "right to carry" areas, because anyone they may victimize may be armed. As far as being more safe if EVERYONE was unarmed...well, that'd be just great...as long as you can make the criminals somehow miraculously start obeying the "no gun" policy. Tell the 32 students brutaly murdered in a "gun free" zone at Virgina Tech that such policies work. The only person armed in that situation took it upon himself to murder 32 people. How many may be alive today if they could have fought back? How many lives did the "gun free zones" at VT or any of the other school shootings save? Or better yet, how many lives did the policy COST?

I sympathize with your situation. My wife was against guns as well when we got togetether ironically. She feared them because she was uneducated about them. Now, she buys me guns as gifts, encourages me to buy more ammo, and will be getting a carry permit and her own handgun in the near future. its easy to fear what you don't understand. However, a little education can be enlightening should you ever choose to opewn your eyes to that possibility. Guns in and of themselves aren't "evil" and can be as safe or safer than driving a car with some proper training. You'd be suprised at who actually carries. You'd never guess it bby simply looking at most people. People who carry don't brag or boast about the fact. Its just a choice they have made to protect themselves. Most legal pertmit holders never have a brush with the law. Your fears of being surrounded by armed strangersa are largely unfounded, for the simple fact it happens around you likely on a daily basis, and you are simply blissfully unaware of it... Indiana CCW Concealed Carry Hand Gun Legal Info theres info on Indiana's concealed carry laws. AS I assumed, permits are easy enough to obtain there, and I'm guessing many people exercise their right to self-defense

$moKeDanK

i respect the idea that people should have the right to defend themselves, but i disagree with being able to hold a gun on campus. you never know if someone get pissed to the point he/she might pull it out. i think more guns would escalate problems.

troublemaker_42

So.....the students who obey the law should be at the mercy of those who choose not to? Gun ownership is a responsibility. You don't pull a gun because you are pissed off.....you pull a gun ONLY when lives are in danger. Anyone who would pull a gun out of anger has no business carrying one....but that doesn't mean NO ONE should be able to carry one. Quite frankly, if I was upset or angry enough to kill someone, I could think of a hundred ways to do it that don't involve firearms. However, I can't think of ANYTHING BUT a firearm that would be good for subduing someone attempting to shoot ME or someone else. Many things can be used to kill in an offensive position, but few things equal a firearm when it comes to DEFENDING oneself

$moKeDanK

your right, people dont pull a gun because they are pissed off, but the possibility still exists

troublemaker_42

The possibility exists of a meteor hitting earth and snuffing out life as we know it. Do we really want to legislate on "possibilites"? I don't think its a wise idea to ban something based on what MIGHT happen. At the very least I believe this should be given a trial run. In Utah, where college student CAN carry, there has been no rise of violence, no shootouts in classrooms, etc. Its basically, for all pratical purposes, been problem free. Is utah somehow different than everywhere else? If it works thewre, who is to say it would lead to chaos elsewhere?