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Should students carry weapons?

Group wants right to carry guns for self-defense

Dayton Daily News/Dayton, Ohio
By Stephanie Gottschlich
Staff Writer

Wednesday, April 16, 2008
DAYTON — Today is the one-year anniversary of the worst school shooting in U.S. history, when 32 students, faculty and the lone gunman died at Virginia Tech.
While colleges nationwide have increased efforts to prevent and better respond to shootings, a group called Students for Concealed Carry on Campus is fighting for the right to be armed at school.

The group, comprised of college students, faculty, staff and parents, formed in Texas the day after the Virginia Tech shootings and quickly took root in Ohio. Three of its nine national leaders are from Miami University in Oxford, the University of Cincinnati and the College of Mount St. Joseph in Cincinnati.
The group says it has nearly 26,000 members with 300 chapters in 43 states, doubling in size since the fatal shootings at Northern Illinois University in February.
Campus police can't respond to a shooting fast enough to protect a student, but a licensed gun owner could defend himself, said Stephen Feltoon, a 2007 Miami graduate and the group's Midwest regional director.
"This is about self-defense, not about playing hero ... or replacing police officers," Feltoon said Tuesday, April 15.
But police say more guns on campus is a bad idea.
"I believe that we are more likely to have more problems with having guns on campus than in having an active shooter," said Miami University Police Chief John McCandless. "We should be focusing on prevention."
Students for Concealed Carry plans a protest next week, during which students will wear empty holsters to classes.

( I personally think it's a great idea, but what does everyone else think? Am I way off base, or on target?


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troublemaker_42

Actually, legislation failed in South Dakota this last legislative session that would allow concealed carry and gun possession on campus. I agree with the idea as well, and though the legislation was defeated in a senate COMMITTEE (though it passed the house overwhelmingly and was supported by our governor), the policy of not alloowing concealed carry on college campuses may very well be illegal under SD law. Right now, both sides are awaiting word from the Attorney General. I'm actually expecting concealed carry to be allowed on campuses within tyhe next year or two. I DO believe the policy by the Board of Regents conflicts with SD ccw and firearm possession laws, and I fully expect the Attorney General to agree. Gun-free zones, IMO, might as well be labeled "easy victim zone" because there is no defense, and in SD, college cops don't even carry firearms, meaning the shooting would continue until the city police arrived and formulated a plan of action. Why should anyone be forced to be a victim? As I've argued many times over, criminals by the very nature of the word, commit crimes. Why should we expect THEM to follow gun-free zone laws? In every school shooting to date, the only one with a gun at the start was the shooter. They have been allowed to mow down our young people, who are forced to simply cower and wait to be shot, rather than being able to take a proactive choice to save their lives. I'd actually go a step further, and REQUIRE college professors/teachers to either carry, or at least attend a class concerning gun handeling. This not only means they'd have an opprotunity to defend themselves or others, but could also make a gun "safe" if one was taken from a student, discovered hidden somewhere, etc....I think EVERYONE, regardless of their stance on firearms ownership, should be educated about firearms safety. Theres no excuse for an "accidnetal" shooting if people are properly trained in the basics of firearms safety. Even learning how to clear the "action" of most firearms is a solid start, as its the only way to assure a gun is loaded or unloaded.

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Dro5

If your old enough to have a gun in that state you should be able to keep one at your dorm.

WeedGod

Where do you draw the line though? Should a senior in High School be able to carry a weapon? If they are okay in high school, how about middle school?

 

phuzz01

Most states that I am familiar with have a minimum age of 21 for a concealed carry permit. So, no high schooler would be able to carry a concealed pistol at school. Teachers and staff would, though.

Also, the original article mentioned that "police" were opposed to this. Well, I am here to tell you that the only "police" that newspapers ever talk to about gun control legislation is Police Chiefs. In my opinion, Chiefs are not police officers, they are politicians. They will say whatever they think people want to here. And it is simply not PC or good politics to tell people that they support people carrying guns in schools. Many Chiefs spent little or no time working the streets, and much time wearing the kneepads. But the majority of your front line police officers, the ones that are actually out there workig the streets, support having an armed citizenry. Most (including me) support shall issue CCW laws, and fewer restrictions on where people can carry a gun.

BigGun1

I wholeheartedly agree. The idea that you have a permit to carry a pistol but you can't carry it to class with you is just assinine. If you are allowed to carry a gun you should be able to take it with you anywhere you go.

Freedom_User

I think the Teachers should take a gun practice class or something. And keep it on him/her at all times. It's been one year since Virginia Tech, and I sometimes wonder what would of happened if a student/teacher had a gun on him/her. I feel confident that if someone in the class had one, it wouldn't nearly be as bad.

In that same case, The Virginia Tech Student was able to get guns, who's to say if a well heated fight breaks out during class or in a drunken rage at a Dorm?

macphearsome

seems reasonable enough. I'd prefer to live in a society where nobody had guns, but, uh... yeah. This works too.

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splifford45

I would like to see students with concealed carry permits allowed to carry weapons on campus. In general, police respond to crimes, they do not prevent them from occurring (especially when it's a suicidal school shooter). Sometimes they don't even respond well, like at Columbine when they just waited outside the school while the kids were getting shot up. Also, I was at UofA when the nursing school shooting happened. The police did not have keys to doors and went around shooting them open with their shotguns to search the rooms for other shooters. The picture in the school newspaper showed a gaping hole in a lab door and several compressed gas tanks in the background. It would have been another tragedy if those tanks were hit and exploded. By the way, I am a graduate student now, so letting students carry would directly effect me. My only reservation is that they let a lot of idiots into college these days, many of whom I would not be comfortable around if i knew they had a firearm.