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winkles · 05-13-2008, 11:19 PM

thanks for all the feedbacks guys/girls. It has been helpful. I still don't know if I am going to try an risk it or not. I have looked through the TSA website and nothing is mentioned about glass objects on their list of prohibited items. If there is any trouble than I guess I will be out a water pipe. I'll keep this updated and let everyone know how it goes.

Kofinon420 · 05-14-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect

Terrible idea. And sterbo is right actually.

1) Your not allowed to bring glass items (carry-on) on airplanes. This is a no-brainer
2) And actually a bong can be considered paraphernalia -- unused or not.

I think a lot of you don't understand the definition of paraphernalia given by the Federal government.

Here it is : The term “drug paraphernalia” means any equipment, product, or material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing, producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled substance This would include a clean bong.

Mail it to yourself, it's the only logical solution. You can risk bringing it on the plane but if your bringing it as a carry-on, it will get seized. If you put it in luggage it's very likely to get broken, and if it does happen to get searched, it's possible they will seize it, it's within their ability.

edit// A quick search brought up a thread already discussing this topic, it appears Buzzby posted almost exactly what I did, but his post has a lot more info in it.

its not designed for marijuana
its designed and made for tabacco products. and like it says at every headshop. intended for tabacco use only.
i would just pack it with my luggage.

**Dark** · 05-14-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kofinon420

its not designed for marijuana
its designed and made for tabacco products. and like it says at every headshop. intended for tabacco use only.
i would just pack it with my luggage.

Yes but if you read the quotes and links provided by Spiral and I you can see how they can fuck you over on that rule.
No matter residue or not, if they THINK you're going to be smoking pot out of it, they can call it drug paraphernalia. If they THINK you're going to use that rolled up $20 bill for sniffing cocaine, they can call it drug paraphernalia, residue or not.

I figured the same you did but seems I am finding a whole bunch of tricky little loopholes they made for these laws lately

Jake · 05-14-2008, 01:52 AM

Unused bongs are only "clean" if it can't be proven that you intend to use it to smoke contraband.

It's fucked....the physical properties will be unchanged, but your thoughts and words can make it illegal. Same thing with hate crimes....your thoughts will give you a harsher punnishment.

1st amendment slipping away...

MonarchX · 05-14-2008, 02:11 AM

Drug paraphernalia is defined by the American Federal Drug Enforcement Administration as any equipment, product, or material that is modified for making, using, or concealing illegal drugs such as cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and methamphetamine.

A bong that has never been used is NOT paraphernalia. If that was the case then DEA would shut down every head shop.

MonarchX · 05-14-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark

Yes but if you read the quotes and links provided by Spiral and I you can see how they can fuck you over on that rule.
No matter residue or not, if they THINK you're going to be smoking pot out of it, they can call it drug paraphernalia. If they THINK you're going to use that rolled up $20 bill for sniffing cocaine, they can call it drug paraphernalia, residue or not.

I figured the same you did but seems I am finding a whole bunch of tricky little loopholes they made for these laws lately

Most dollar bills already have cocaine traces on them...
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feedyourhead · 05-14-2008, 02:15 AM

actually, head shops DO get shut down for selling this stuff. why do you think they're so paranoid about ID's and using the correct terminology???

**Dark** · 05-14-2008, 02:21 AM

You're not getting it Monarch. Yes, they are intended for tobacco, but if they want to make a case on it they can. Read a bit more and find out for yourself. If they think you are going to use your WATER PIPE for marijuana, well good look trying to prove them wrong, you are likely fucked no matter how new it is.

and as FYH said, they HAVE shut down headshops

. Here, take a chew on some food for your wrong thoughts. Bong shops under attack!.

If they can prove you inteded to use your bong for marijuana, then yes, it's drug paraphernalia, period. Clean, new, blown only an hour ago, doesn't matter. Really shitty, but what can you do..

MonarchX · 05-14-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by feedyourhead

actually, head shops DO get shut down for selling this stuff. why do you think they're so paranoid about ID's and using the correct terminology???

Really? I did not know this. Two shops in my town openly tell you how to use this and that with weed and no problems since 1992. Maybe its the laws and the fact that paraphernalia has been decriminalized in my state.

MonarchX · 05-14-2008, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark

You're not getting it Monarch. Yes, they are intended for tobacco, but if they want to make a case on it they can. Read a bit more and find out for yourself. If they think you are going to use your WATER PIPE for marijuana, well good look trying to prove them wrong, you are likely fucked no matter how new it is.

and as FYH said, they HAVE shut down headshops

. Here, take a chew on some food for your wrong thoughts. Bong shops under attack!.

If they can prove you inteded to use your bong for marijuana, then yes, it's drug paraphernalia, period. Clean, new, blown only an hour ago, doesn't matter.

Is that a federal law or state law (about the intent) ?

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MonarchX Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 612 Grams: 7,861.85 Groans: 0 Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts Thanks: 3 Thanked 32 Times in 27 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Drug paraphernalia is defined by the American Federal Drug Enforcement Administration as any equipment, product, or material that is modified for making, using, or concealing illegal drugs such as cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and methamphetamine. A bong that has never been used is NOT paraphernalia. If that was the case then DEA would shut down every head shop. __________________ I have a dream... that one day all MJ users can stop hiding their stashes, come outside, join hands and smoke this wonderful herb without fear of prosecution!. YOU and I have the power to make this dream come true.

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winkles New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3 Grams: 343.20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	thanks for all the feedbacks guys/girls. It has been helpful. I still don't know if I am going to try an risk it or not. I have looked through the TSA website and nothing is mentioned about glass objects on their list of prohibited items. If there is any trouble than I guess I will be out a water pipe. I'll keep this updated and let everyone know how it goes.

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