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Old 05-14-2008, 02:26 AM   #21
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well, since the DEA is a federal agency, i'd say it's federal law...
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:20 AM   #22
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and interstate travel insures that it's a federal coviction-misdemeanor- as if that matters....don't go there.
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and interstate travel insures that it's a federal coviction-misdemeanor- as if that matters....don't go there.
If its caught in an airport, you'll face charges in whatever jurisdiction you happen to be in at the time. Your charges won't be a federal offense. Do you really think the federal govt would spend the time arresting and trying every person caught in an airport with a weed pipe? Nope...the Feds won't get involved unless you have a suitcase full of coke or something major....trhey aren't going to prosecute you at the federal level for a bong
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No possible way.

You cannot get "paraphernalia" from a perfectly clean water pipe.
Then why did Tommy Chong do prison time for selling bongs on the internet?
They certainly weren't used...

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If it's a glass bong, I would wrap it in padding to ensure that it didn't break and put it in my checked luggage. Take the slide out, and if it's metal dispose of it (you can pick up a new one at any headshop for 5 dollars if it's metal), or if it's glass, wrap it, as well, in a padding and put it in the checked luggage as well.
Flaw #1:
Putting anything fragile in your checked luggage is asking to have it broken.
The baggage handlers simply don't care about your luggage or its contents and will sling it around like there's no tomorrow. Sure, you can pad it and wrap it in bubble wrap, but if some baggage monkey flings it into the cargo area of a plane, it's likely to break.

Next time you fly, watch the baggage handlers as they load or unload a plane. Then tell us you think it's a good idea to put glassware in your checked luggage.

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As long as there's no drug residue on your pipe, they shouldn't even look twice at your luggage. If they do, by 1:1,000,000 shot open your luggage, you'll possibly be taken by airport security into a room and asked to explain the presence of this item in your luggage, to which I would respond "That's a Tobacco smoking water-pipe." If they say something to the contrary, simply say "I wouldn't do illegal stuff, test it if you don't believe me."
Flaw #2:
It's far more frequent than one in a million. I guesstimate that about 1 in 4 bags gets hand-searched. This is based on my personal experience and observation and no actual statistics, mind you.

If TSA finds something illegal in your luggage, you'll be detained and legal action taken on the spot by local law enforcement. Trust me. I know. Been there, done that.
Now, with a bong, there's a bit of a grey area. The TSA that searches your bag and the LEO looking over their shoulder may decide that it's not pot-related and let it go. Then again, they may not.
Remember that Tommy Chong was sent to prison for delivering paraphenalia across state lines, which is the likely scenario if you're flying commercially.

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Contrary to what sterbo apparently believes, they do not open all luggage and search through it, nor are "bongs" (the correct term is "water pipe") considered paraphernalia unless there's residue of THC (or other illicit substances) on them.
When was the last time you flew commercially, Trocisp?
They DO hand-search luggage. although not all. The TSA chooses bags at random and searches them, including rummaging through your "inner bags like toiletry kits, makeup bags, and so on. I've had a bag of dirty clothes dumped out into my suitcase before. Really kind of pissed me off, too, as my dirty clothes were all up against my clean clothes...

On a side note, it's a fun prank to put some vile, nasty, filthy (but yet LEGAL) hardcore pornography on the very top of your checked luggage.
Hope you get a squeemish TSA monkey searching your bag.
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If its caught in an airport, you'll face charges in whatever jurisdiction you happen to be in at the time. Your charges won't be a federal offense. Do you really think the federal govt would spend the time arresting and trying every person caught in an airport with a weed pipe? Nope...the Feds won't get involved unless you have a suitcase full of coke or something major....trhey aren't going to prosecute you at the federal level for a bong
Perhaps not, but as commonly the case, it gives local law enforcement the opportunity to twist your arm all that much harder should they feel the case warrants it...
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:56 PM   #26
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Then why did Tommy Chong do prison time for selling bongs on the internet?
They certainly weren't used...
Because he didn't fight it. He went to prison because he didn't want to risk them going after his son - he took a plea to protect his kid.

At least that's the way I understood the story.
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Flaw #1:
Putting anything fragile in your checked luggage is asking to have it broken.
The baggage handlers simply don't care about your luggage or its contents and will sling it around like there's no tomorrow. Sure, you can pad it and wrap it in bubble wrap, but if some baggage monkey flings it into the cargo area of a plane, it's likely to break.

Next time you fly, watch the baggage handlers as they load or unload a plane. Then tell us you think it's a good idea to put glassware in your checked luggage.
I've traveled with pottery in my luggage before, I've got quite a bit of experience flying, perhaps I just know how to pack glassware better than most.


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It's far more frequent than one in a million. I guesstimate that about 1 in 4 bags gets hand-searched. This is based on my personal experience and observation and no actual statistics, mind you.
You personal experience? You've flown how many times?

The TSA doesn't have time to hand check 1 out of 4 bags. Many airports have thousands-to-tens-of-thousands of people a day go through them. It's unrealistic to think that they go through 1 in 4 bags.

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If TSA finds something illegal in your luggage, you'll be detained and legal action taken on the spot by local law enforcement. Trust me. I know. Been there, done that.
Now, with a bong, there's a bit of a grey area. The TSA that searches your bag and the LEO looking over their shoulder may decide that it's not pot-related and let it go. Then again, they may not.
You're extremely unlikely to face punitive consequences, the worst that will happen is they go take the bong...


Which is worse than not having it at all.... how?
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Remember that Tommy Chong was sent to prison for delivering paraphenalia across state lines, which is the likely scenario if you're flying commercially.
Actually...

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Tommy Chong was charged for his part in financing and promoting Chong Glass/Nice Dreams, a company started by his son Paris. Mr. Chong’s case never went through a federal trial; instead Mr. Chong came to a settlement with US Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan’s office in which he admitted to distributing 7,500 bongs and water pipes on the Internet through Nice Dreams, a family company that was named for one of his movies. Chong agreed to plead guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute drug paraphernalia in exchange for non-prosecution of his wife, Shelby, and his son, Paris. Tommy fully cooperated with the government and was the first of Operation Pipe Dreams’ defendants to plead guilty. [8]
He plead out in order to prevent his wife and son from being charged with anything.

He wasn't "sent" to prison, he elected to go to prison in order to save his family the trouble and risk.

And that was for distributing, not taking a single bong.

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When was the last time you flew commercially, Trocisp?
Uh, about a month and a half ago. Maybe two months.

I also flew twice a month from the time I was 6 to the age of 12. That's six years, times twelve (montly), times two. That's... uh... 144 times. Not counting special trips. That was just to see my mother - Joint custody (every other weekend with my mom) from Ohio to North Carolina.

Plus, recently I've flown a dozen or so times recently on business trips with my father.

I'd say I have a little experience with flying.

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They DO hand-search luggage. although not all.
In my experience, they search about 1:50 bags, one out of a million was a bit of a hyperbole. This comes from personal, extensive experience. And they normally only check them when there is something suspicious about the bag.

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The TSA chooses bags at random and searches them, including rummaging through your "inner bags like toiletry kits, makeup bags, and so on. I've had a bag of dirty clothes dumped out into my suitcase before. Really kind of pissed me off, too, as my dirty clothes were all up against my clean clothes...
There's a very simple way to get around this... Do what I always do. leave an 8 by 11 piece of paper, with a 5 dollar bill stapled to it stating "Please put ensure that if you have to check my belongings you return them to a state somewhat similar to the one you found them in. This 5 dollars if your you - as long you as my stuff is decently packed when I find it!"

They never take the 5, but once I got a smart ass who replaced it with five ones and wrote on the paper "Need change?"

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On a side note, it's a fun prank to put some vile, nasty, filthy (but yet LEGAL) hardcore pornography on the very top of your checked luggage.
Hope you get a squeemish TSA monkey searching your bag.
I'm going to have to try that...
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its not designed for marijuana
its designed and made for tabacco products. and like it says at every headshop. intended for tabacco use only.
i would just pack it with my luggage.
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Then why did Tommy Chong do prison time for selling bongs on the internet?
They certainly weren't used...


Flaw #1:
Putting anything fragile in your checked luggage is asking to have it broken.
The baggage handlers simply don't care about your luggage or its contents and will sling it around like there's no tomorrow. Sure, you can pad it and wrap it in bubble wrap, but if some baggage monkey flings it into the cargo area of a plane, it's likely to break.

Next time you fly, watch the baggage handlers as they load or unload a plane. Then tell us you think it's a good idea to put glassware in your checked luggage.


Flaw #2:
It's far more frequent than one in a million. I guesstimate that about 1 in 4 bags gets hand-searched. This is based on my personal experience and observation and no actual statistics, mind you.

If TSA finds something illegal in your luggage, you'll be detained and legal action taken on the spot by local law enforcement. Trust me. I know. Been there, done that.
Now, with a bong, there's a bit of a grey area. The TSA that searches your bag and the LEO looking over their shoulder may decide that it's not pot-related and let it go. Then again, they may not.
Remember that Tommy Chong was sent to prison for delivering paraphenalia across state lines, which is the likely scenario if you're flying commercially.


When was the last time you flew commercially, Trocisp?
They DO hand-search luggage. although not all. The TSA chooses bags at random and searches them, including rummaging through your "inner bags like toiletry kits, makeup bags, and so on. I've had a bag of dirty clothes dumped out into my suitcase before. Really kind of pissed me off, too, as my dirty clothes were all up against my clean clothes...

On a side note, it's a fun prank to put some vile, nasty, filthy (but yet LEGAL) hardcore pornography on the very top of your checked luggage.
Hope you get a squeemish TSA monkey searching your bag.
1/4 gets hand-searched, no way
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I've traveled with pottery in my luggage before, I've got quite a bit of experience flying, perhaps I just know how to pack glassware better than most.
And I've had glass items professionally packed for shipping get destroyed in checked baggage.
We're talking bubble wrap, air pillows, double-boxed with styrofoam peanuts.
Not to mention my clothes on all sides of the package.
The only way these items could break if the bag was tossed around in a manner similar to the gorilla in the 70s Samsonite ad.
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You personal experience? You've flown how many times?
For nearly two years, I flew weekly to different places in teh continental U.S.
After I moved to NorCal, I didn't fly as often, but I had enough to give my family free airfare thanks to the frequent flier miles I racked up.
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The TSA doesn't have time to hand check 1 out of 4 bags. Many airports have thousands-to-tens-of-thousands of people a day go through them. It's unrealistic to think that they go through 1 in 4 bags.
As I said, this is based on my personal observation and experience. After 9/11, I found a friendly little note in my checked bag about 1/4 of the time.
Maybe I was just unlucky. Maybe my eastern European last name made someone suspicious. Hell, maybe I'm on a terrorist watch list.
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You're extremely unlikely to face punitive consequences, the worst that will happen is they go take the bong...
And you base this assessment on what?
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I'd say I have a little experience with flying.
And how about those courteous, careful baggage handlers? Don't you like the way they carefully place your bag on the carrier into the cargo area? Isn't it awesome the care they use in placing your bags in such a way that nothing will fall on them? Don't you appreciate the way the luggage is secured on the baggage train so it won't fall off on the tarmac?
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In my experience, they search about 1:50 bags, one out of a million was a bit of a hyperbole. This comes from personal, extensive experience. And they normally only check them when there is something suspicious about the bag.
The numbers may be reasonably accurate. Again, MY EXPERIENCE has been about 1 in 4. But that's my baggage, too.
Maybe the American flag luggage tag makes me appear to be trying to hard to not look like a terrorist.
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There's a very simple way to get around this... Do what I always do. leave an 8 by 11 piece of paper, with a 5 dollar bill stapled to it stating "Please put ensure that if you have to check my belongings you return them to a state somewhat similar to the one you found them in. This 5 dollars if your you - as long you as my stuff is decently packed when I find it!"
Fuck that. The last thing the TSA monkeys deserve is a tip.
Treat me with a little courtesy at a security checkpoint, and I'll acknowledge my appreciation, because most TSA employees I've encountered are flaming dickheads.
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They never take the 5, but once I got a smart ass who replaced it with five ones and wrote on the paper "Need change?"
And by adding that note and leaving 5 singles, they altered the contents of your bag... I'd report the agent.
But I also don't like the TSA very much...


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1/4 gets hand-searched, no way
As I stated, that is based on my own personal observation and experience.
Maybe I'm the freak that they like to hand-search. Maybe the word got 'round that I leave hardcore porn in my luggage!
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Dark, maybe it's just me - I've never had a bad experience with any TSA employees.

Although the baggage handlers do often throw bags around, I normally stick a "FRAGILE, Please handle with care" sticker on the outside, that, along with properly packed luggage has resulted in 2 out of well over a hundred pieces of pottery being broken in all of my flying experience (My grandparents own a pottery shop).

Maybe I'm incredibly lucky? Or maybe TSA agents dig me!
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