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06-02-2001, 10:14 AM

Lemme hit a couple of points real quick that some of you didn't mention.

Alright, TEN THOUSAND studies??? TEN THOUSAND? C'mon people! Ten thousand!? I dont believe that for a second.

Also, many of you just automatically assumed that STucking Foned's statement about cancer was correct, just mis-used. It is mis-used and incorrect. Marijuana has NEVER EVER caused a death, as I'm sure you have heard. This INCLUDES cancer. Marijuana has NEVER CAUSED CANCER. Ever. And it never will, because the only thing it contains more of than tobacco is tar. Also, the other main health concern produced by smoking is suffering shortness of breath. It's odd, but marijuana does not produce the same inflamation of the lungs that other smoke produces, which is where shortness of breath comes in. Im sure there are some people reading who just smoke weed, right? Well tell me how much worst you breathe than when you started. Yea, that's what I thought. Also, it was stated that marijuana gives the same bad health and intoxicating effects as alcohol combined witht he bad health effects of smoking tobacco. WRONG! Once again, tobacco kills thousands every year, marijuana has never killed ANYONE! Alcohol kills thousands a year as well. Once again, marijuana has never killed ANYONE. That means ANYONE, for ANY REASON! Including overdose and or cancer.

As for addictive, my friend cleric already testified to that. Also, don't blame pot for mental conditions that already existed before the action of smoking pot ever occured. WTF do people think drives a person to smoke in the first place?? Anyway, the depression I have that existed for YEARS before I started smoking is 99% better.

Here's something to put the anti-pot people back on the deffensive.. . Legalizing would cut crime drastically. The drugs would be out of the hands of dangerous gang related drug dealers and instead be put right into the hands of the same people who put an age limit on tobacco and alcohol, with probably a higher(no pun intended) age limit than 18 or 21. And as any kid who doesn't have a cigarette smoking parent can tell you, cigarettes are alot harder to get than weed at the moment, simply because of the age restriction.

KWhite · 06-02-2001, 12:32 PM

First, any study of marijuana in the United States of America must be conducted using marijuana from an approved source, and is only supplied after approval from the D.E.A.
It is fact that such approval is rarely given, hence these ten thousand studies must have been undertaken outside of america, please provide supporting literature.
Fact is, according to the Governments own, and most recent study, published by the institute of medicine, marijuana does NOT have addictive qualities.
marijuana Does have valid medicinal uses, especially in the areas appetite stimulation, chronic pain.
Fact is, this was determined by scientists and doctors, not judges or politicians.
Fact is, proposition 215 obviously did not legalize marijuana for all, medical marijuana users are still being arrested.
Fact is, the supposed immune system degradation does not take place, it is myth.
Fact is marinol is ineffective in many patients due to
1. a long absorption time through the stomach
2. The danger of overdose which is not present in an inhalation delivery system.
3. The lack of those other chemicals which,
while little understood, cannabinoids among them, which may have an effect upon the illness being treated, studies outside of America have shown cannabinoid receptors in the human brain, which are there to bind with cannabinoids produced within our own body, regulating such things as appetite and inter-neural communication, all of which seems to be helped by whole cannabis. Marinol lacks these.
Fact is, The University of Hannover(Germany) Is in the process of studying marijuana for use in glaucoma patients for which no other currently accepted medicine provides relief, they are very hopeful more such patients can use marijuana to control intra-ocular pressure.
Fact is, marijuana derivatives were shown to actually destroy one type of brain tumor by scientists in Spain last year, a huge breakthrough, barely reported in the United States.
Fact is, marijuana can be inhaled using a vaporizer, thus deleting the supposed ill effects conveyed by the burning of said.
Fact is, violence among marijuana smokers is generally seen, when the marijuana consumer mixes his or her dosage with alcohol. Case in point, at a major sporting event in Holland last year, Authorities limited sharply the alcohol sales permitted, while urging cannabis cafe's to stay open.
Soccer violence did not occur.
Fact is the Food and Drug Administration, the D.E.A. and the U.s. Health service are Administration organizations, and being so are required to follow Administration guidelines and policy.
Fact is, there are NO data on the potency of thc in marijuana in the 1960's, this is pure fiction, also, should any have survived in police lockers or anywhere else, thc degrades with time, a chemical analysis at thispoint in time would of necessity confirm this myth, through simple rot, but true data do NOT exist.
Fact is, again, the Institute of Medicine, joined also by the canadian journal of medicine, both have dismissed the "Gateway" theory as unrealistic, finding no statistical or biological evidence that would support this conclusion.
Fact is, it has been concluded by several research institutions, that mental or psychic illness, while perhaps aggravated by marijuana and other drugs, is not caused by marijuana, and also it is stated, the aggravation mainly affects schizophrenic personalities, and recedes quickly when use is stopped, the number of people so affected, is so small as to be statistically null.
Fact is, socially marijuana prohibition, and the ills caused by said, are inextricably linked with alcohol prohibtion. It is to be shown, the use of tobacco, while legal, has been the subject of an ever growing campaign of information, this has brought the level of American tobacco consumers down to a level of 20% of population. The campaign of disinformation which marijuana and its consumers has been subjected to, shows young people the lies inherent in prohibition, thus decreasing any respect for the Government or law enforcement, and leading them to the belief that those lies also encompass harder, more dangerous drugs.
Fact is, the prohibiton of marijuana, exactly like the prohibition of alcohol, creates and fuels a criminal black market, which then, given huge amounts of working capital, successively grows and becomes harder to eradicate. It is this criminal element which seeks to bring drugs, and not just marijuana, to our children. It is also exactly this criminal element which would be deleted should marijuana be legalized, seing no profit margin, they would turn elsewhere. We would still
need to fight this element, but we would have turned some portion of their funding away from their war chest.
Fact is, marijuana needs to be returned to the area of responsibility in which it belongs.
The personal one.
Puff well
Kelly

06-02-2001, 03:19 PM

Just read the most recent Federal study on Marijuana. That will change your mind about it. Ironic isnt it? (Or you can read the Federal Study they commissioned way back when they were just making it illegal, that one said Marijuana is not harmful also)

RIP JMorrison · 06-02-2001, 05:06 PM

Marijuana does impair the immune system?
I though that fact was just bulldung like most other anti-pot facts.

I'm not saying I don't believe any of you. I just want to make sure. But can anyone post a link to a report or something that proves this? Thanks.

KWhite · 06-02-2001, 08:42 PM

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1404 (smoking pregnant...research)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1404 (Same as above, part two)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/misc/myths.html
(MARIJUANA MYTHS w/sources)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...ngPotAIDS.html (US Studying Pot & AIDS)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...fedrivers.html (Studies at home and abroad..stoned driving)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=42
(Marijuana for migraines)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=42 (U.K. stoned drivers)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1776 (Pot and HIV)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1372 (marijuana and sex)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...gh-school.html (Hemp grow info 1913-1915)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...rresearch.html (U.S. Govt sells low grade pot for research, assuring slanted data)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1418 (Studies reveal that marijuana protects against brain damage from stroke, heart attacks, and nerve gas.)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1569 (THC destroys brain cancers)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1346 (British research shows sativa better than indica at treating pain)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1576 (US government knew in '74 and covered up the news)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1706 (Pot for pain relief U.K. study)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...ish-codex.html (The British Pharmaceutical Codex
1934)

I realize we have a links forum, and I leave it to the Administrators to judge my action here, but there seem to be a lot of questions, the articles and studies behind these links may provide the answer, to why the original post is such nonsense. Concerning the immune system, one has to look very closely, and read througha lot of news and studies (WHich I have just spent 4 hours doing) prohibitionists always say yes, other Doctors tend to say no, still up in the air sorry I could not find a definitive answer for you YET.

06-03-2001, 02:07 AM

>Marijuana is currently up to 25 times more potent than it was in the 1960's, making the drug even more addictive.

TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET SOME OF THAT! I want weed thats 125% THC!

06-03-2001, 02:16 AM

Why is it that when anti-drug organizations talk to parents, their statistics always show a huge increase in drug usage, but when they're trying to get funding for congress, drug use is always shown to be on the decline?

Rev0x · 06-03-2001, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by STuckinFoned
There are over 10,000 scientific studies that prove marijuana is a harmful addictive drug. There is not one reliable study that demonstrates marijuana has any medical value.

I could argue the other way around; there is not one reliable study that shows marijuana is as harmful and addictive as most ignorant people would have you think; yet there are a lot of supressed reports done by research organizations working for the government that show marijuana is a safe therepeutic substance with multiple benefits and few health risks.

Marijuana is an unstable mixture of more than 425 chemicals that convert to thousands when smoked. Many of these chemicals are toxic, psychoactive chemicals which are largely unstudied and appear in uncontrolled strengths.

Water itself is unstable. I watched an episode of Bill Nye where he had a tub full of water and he mixed another chemical that is also considered safe, and the water ignited into a huge fireball. Maybe we should ban water as well until "more research is conducted."

The harmful consequences of smoking marijuana include, but are not limited to the following: premature cancer, addiction, coordination and perception impairment, a number of mental disorders including depression, hostility and increased aggresiveness, general apathy, memory loss, reproductive disabilities, and impairment to the immune system.

The harmful consequences of eating too much chocolate include, but are not limited to the following: stomach pain, cramps, dihareaha, nausea, dizziness, hyperactive behavior, and fatigue. Long term damage from excessive chocolate consumption can lead to severe clogging of arteries and eventually heart arrest. Where's our chocolate prohibition people I'm still waiting! (conclusion: everything that is done excessively is harmful, moderation is the key to a healthy life.)

The Food and Drug Administration, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the U.S. Public Health Service have rejected smoking crude marijuana as a medicine. Medical marijuana has been promoted for "compassionate use" to assist people with cancer, AIDS and glaucoma. Scientific studies show the opposite is true; marijuana is damaging to individuals with these illnesses. In fact, people suffering with AIDS and glaucoma are being used unfairly by groups whose real agenda is to legalize marijuana.

This claim neglects to mention other claims by patients themselves that marijuana as a medicine is providing them with relief for their pain. This is the equivalent of someone breaking their leg and you denying that they are in pain because there isn't sufficient medical evidence that their leg is broken, and all the while they are screaming and wincing you refuse to place a cast on it.

AIDS: Scientific studies indicate marijuana damages the immune system, causing further peril to already weakened immune systems. HIV-positive marijuana smokers progress to full-blown AIDS twice as fast as non-smokers and have an increased incidence of bacterial pneumonia.

Other, more reliable scientific studies claim that the effect marijuana has on the immune system is temporary and only lasts for the period that a person is "high." If there is a continued doubt in these claims then an HIV-positive patient should not use marijuana until he has progressed into full-blown AIDS, where loss of appetite is a major concern for health. Marijuana would be a very beneficial medicine in such cases and not cause much harm since the HIV-virus is in its advanced stages and the temporary immune system impairment effect of marijuana would most likely be negligable. If doubt still persists, I would suggest for a doctor to weigh the benefits and risks for his AIDS patient of using marijuana as a medicine since he might either need to eat more or have his immune system active more.

Cancer: Marijuana contains many cancer-causing substances, many of which are present in higher concentrations in marijuana than in tobacco.

The lack of a physical addictive property in marijuana means people who use it will smoke far less than those who smoke tobacco products, therefore exposing their lungs less to smoke. Increasing the THC content in marijuana plants, once legal, means users will smoke far less to achieve the same "high" that they desire. Marijuana users engage in auto-titration, meaning smoking only until they are content with the level of THC in their system, because too much THC can give you a headache. In addition, scientists are still not 100% certain which chemicals in tobacco smoke induce cancer. Many of these scientists also believe that the lung cancer that is associated with tobacco isn't a characteristic of tobacco smoke itself, but of a radio-active chemical used as a pesticide during tobacco cultivation. This is an important revelation because cannabis sativa, the plant that has become known as mariuana, does not need the same pesticides used to cultivate tobacco because it attracts fewer pests.

Glaucoma: Marijuana does not prevent blindness due to glaucoma.

...however, it does benefit glaucoma patients by decreasing the painful intra-occular pressure that is associated with glaucoma.

Marijuana is currently up to 25 times more potent than it was in the 1960's, making the drug even more addictive.

There are two very distinct kinds of addictions. Physical addictions such as those to caffeine, alcohol, nicotine in tobacco and even sleeping pills are the most damaging because once the user stops consuming the drug the body fights back in a physical way that is very unpleasant. Phsycological addictions only occur in addictive personalities that might engage in something excessively and irresponsibly. Psychological addictions are not a direct result of chemicals but they are the result of actions, and can be found in everything from nasty habits such as biting nails to excessive internet use while neglecting family and work. Moreover, higher potency means users will smoke less to achieve the desired effect, which means lower exposure to smoke that may be harmful for the lungs, which is arguebly the only health concern of smoking marijuana.

Americans take their medicine in pills, solutions, sprays, shots, drops, creams, and sometimes in suppositories, but never by smoking. No medicine prescribed for us today is smoked.

For centuries humans have been using herbs and plants to treat pain and illness. There is no conclusive evidence that a pill that is ingested is safer and more effective than natural medicine found in nature; on the contrary, various medications approved by the FDA are causing people to die on a yearly basis. Aspirin kills more people yearly than marijuana, which is believed to have never caused a single death in its entire history of consumption. Preferring to take a pill or a suppository over natural medicine could be compared to preferring an IV solution over natural food because the IV is measured and dosed by health professionals. Just because a medication cannot be measured and dosed in milligrams does not mean it is not effective.

The main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, THC (Tetra Hydrocannibinol), is already legally available in pharmaceutical capsule form by prescription from medical doctors. This drug, Marinol, is less often prescribed because of the potential adverse effects, and there are more effective new medicines currently available.

Nearly all patients who have tried both the smokeable form of marijuana and Marinol claim that Marinol is not as effective in relieving their pain. Medication ingested in a pill form takes approximately 45 minutes to 1 hour for the effect to kick in, depending whether the patient consumed food prior to the medicine. By comparison, when marijuana is smoked the THC is delivered into the blood stream in 8 seconds, becoming an instant form of relief for those suffering from nausea. Patients that use Marinol cannot effectively guage their dosage while consuming it and thus constantly feel intense side effects from high levels of THC. Patients that smoke marijuana can smoke until their pain is relieved and then stop immediately.

While a biomedical or casual relationship between marijuana and the use of hard drugs has not been established, the statistical association is quite convincing. 12 to 17 year-olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than those who do not. 60% of adolescents who use marijuana before age 15 will later use cocaine. These correlations are many times higher than the initial relationships found between smoking and lung cancer.

Marijuana has been linked to hard drugs for only one reason; its illegal status. Those seeking to use marijuana recreationally are constantly subjected to drug dealers who sell other drugs that are much more dangerous. If marijuana was legalized, this would not be the case. In addition, the past educational trend in teaching children that all drugs including marijuana will kill them has had a very negative effect on them. Once they get older and try marijuana out of curiousity, they will find it is not as dangerous as they were made to think, and will be more encouraged to try cocaine and heroin as well. This scare tactic used by the government to keep children away from drugs is essentially backfiring. Adults must first teach themselves about the dangers of drugs and then teach their children.

Rev0x · 06-03-2001, 03:55 AM

Man ****! I've been spending hours on this and halfway I saved it in a text file in case the power went out. Then when I finished it (man it was an awesome conclusion too) and I clicked "preview" it said my post was too long. I clicked back to split it into two and it was ALL GONE!!!!!!!!!

So I pasted half of whatever I had from the text file in the previous post, and the other half in this one. Because I really don't feel like typing all I typed in again, I'm not gonna bother to finish the rebuttal all the way to the end. Maybe at some later point. And now here's the rest.

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Major medical and health organizations, as well as the vast majority of nationally recognized expert medical doctors, scientists and researchers, have concluded that smoking marijuana is not a safe and effective medicine. These organizations include: the American Medical Association, the American Cancer Society, National Sclerosis Association, the American Glaucoma Association, American Academy of Opthalmology, National Eye Institute, and the National Cancer Institute.

There have been many misconceptions and myths about marijuana that have survived since its prohibition which affect the judgement of health care professionals today when they weigh the benefits against the risks. Medical marijuana is gaining more acceptance in the medical community as professionals begin to see for themselves how it is helping their patients.

Rev0x · 06-03-2001, 04:34 AM

I continued typing the rest as best as I could remember... but as I read it again it still doesn't sound as impressive as it originally was before I lost it. Oh well

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In 1994, a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that marijuana should remain a Schedule I drug: highly addictive with no medical usefulness. The court noted that the pro-marijuana physicians had relied on non-scientific evidence.

Marijuana's schedule I status can be linked to public hysteria about the drug as the "killer weed from Mexico" which was common during the period in history known as Reefer Madness. There is a catch-22 situation involving research on the benefit of medical marijuana; marijuana is illegal and thought to be addictive and have no medical benefit because not enough research has been done to prove its medical benefits, and not enough research to prove marijuana's medical benefits has been conducted beacuse it is illegal.

Political Issues: The California and Arizona Ballot Initiatives.

California's Proposition 215, The Compassionate Use Act of 1996, states: "Section 11357 (criminal penalties), relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358 (criminal penalties), relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possess or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician."

Arizona's Proposition 200, the Drug Medicalization, Prevention, and Control Act of 1996, states: "We must toughen Arizona's laws against violent criminals on drugs. Any person who commits a violent crime while under the influence of illegal drugs should serve 100% of his or her sentence with absolutely no early release." The proposition then goes on to say doctors may be permitted "to prescribe Schedule I controlled substances to treat a disease, or to relieve the pain and suffering of seriously ill and terminally ill patients."

This is a measure to clarify the line between science and politics. A lot of drugs are wrongly classified as schedule I simply because people have not accepted them as beneficial but that does not mean they are not. I trust doctors over politicians anyday.

Both of these ballot initiatives passed, with 56% support for Prop. 215 and 65% support for Prop. 200.

That means there are a lot of other people out there that trust doctors over politicians too.

The language in these ballot initiatives for California and Arizona are so loosely worded that they basically legalize marijuana for everyone, sick or well, adult or child. Physicians will be able to legally dispense marijuana for migraines, depression or any other ailments.

I am certain physicians will make wise decisions concerning the recommendation of marijuana to patients. You either trust your doctor to give you the medication you need or you don't. There are hundreds of drugs a doctor can prescribe that are thousands of times more dangerous than marijuana.

Legalizing marijuana through the political process bypasses the safeguards established by the Food and Drug Administration to protect the public from dangerous or ineffective drugs. Every other prescribed drug must be tested according to scientifically rigorous protocols to ensure that it is safe and effective before it can be sold.

Legalizing marijuana through the political process means it is the decision of hundreds of thousands of doctors, patients, parents, teachers, researchers and drug-law reformers. I would trust the decision of all these people based on their knowledge over a few members of a government agency. In addition, the FDA licenses a lot of medications that are much more deadly than marijuana, especially since marijuana totes a zero death toll. That's right, there have been ZERO deaths directly linked to marijuana. Close to a thousand people die of aspirin each year.

The California ballot initiative will make marijuana available without a written prescription, bypassing all established medical guidelines for dispensing drugs. The Arizona ballot initiative will legalize all Schedule I drugs for medical use. Schedule I drugs are drugs that have a high potential for abuse and have no currently accepted medical use in treatment. Examples of Schedule I drugs are marijuana, LSD and heroin. Under Arizona's proposition all of these drugs would be essentially legalized for any so-called medical use.

Both of these laws allow for the possession of marijuana for medicinal purposes, however, buying and selling marijuana will remain illegal.

These ballot initiatives were passed through a major disinformation campaign financed by wealthy individuals from outside these states. The billionaire financier George Soros gave over half a million dollars to support these initiatives. Other significant contributors include George Zimmer, president and CEO of the Men's Warehouse clothing store chain, Peter Lewis of The Progressive Corporation Insurance company in Ohio, and John Sperling, CEO of the Apollo Group, a Phoenix holding company for numerous educational institutions.

If I was a wealthy individual I would pour money into something I truly believed in. These people are fighting for patients who have proven that marijuana does indeed ease their pain and help them. The fact that they have a lot of money does not mean they are bad people. The true disinformation campaign is that which denounces marijuana as a beneficial drug, even though there are many patients who are terminally ill that are quite eager to testify otherwise.

The true agenda for Prop. 215 and 200 is revealed when you examine the backers of these initiatives. The National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws (NORML), the Drug Policy Foundation and the Cannabis Buyers Club in San Francisco have spearheaded the passage of the propositions. The radical legalization agenda of these groups leaves little doubt about their broader goal to legalize marijuana and other drugs. As reported in High Times magazine, the director of NORML expressly stated that the medical use of marijuana is an interal part of the strategy to legalize marijuana. A former director of NORML told an Emory University audience that NORML would be using the issue of medicinal marijuana as a red herring to give marijuana a good name.

The marijuana reform debate is fought on many fronts. NORML believes in the right to allow patients access to medical marijuana and they will support initiatives that allow this. Marijuana deserves a good name in contrast to the the years of demonization that have been a characteristic of this forbidden medicine. Each year many new drugs are prescribed by doctors that are much less effective and more dangerous than marijuana. Morphine is one of them. If marijuana acquires a good name among the public it will be because of their first-hand observation on how this drug can benefit so many people.

Social and Cultural Issues:
The medical marijuana movement and its million dollar media campaign have helped contribute to the changing attitude among our youth that marijuana use is harmless. This softening in anti-drug attitudes among teens has led to a 140% increase in marijuana use among high school seniors from 94'-95'.
The pro-legalization organizations behind these ballot initiatives deny that there is a drug problem among our youth. As much as they seek to focus on people suffering with illnesses, we must keep the debate properly centered on the safety of our kids. In a time where drug use among kids has increased 78% in the last four years, this country cannot afford to undermine drug prevention efforts with these pro marijuana ballot initiatives.

This observation overlooks an important fact. If marijuana were legalized and regulated today it would be much more difficult for kids to obtain it. As a teenager I will tell you right off the bat that it is a lot easier for me to go out and buy weed than to buy a bottle of Jack Daniels. Kids are curious about drugs because there is an ongoing debate that is at the extremes. On one side their friends are telling them "hey, it's safe, we aren't dead." and at the other end their parents and government propaganda tell them "just say no, this drug will kill you." Kids are of course curious and will try marijuana. And when they see it as safe they will go out and try heroin too because marijuana, heroin and cocaine are bunched as pretty much the same by programs like DARE. If kids were taught, "hey, this stuff won't kill, there's nothing exciting here, move along" then it becomes a point of disinterest. If you tell a kid not to press the big red button he WILL press it. But if you pretend the button doesn't exist and give him something to distract him with he won't be very interested. And that is called reverse psychology.

The strategy to link marijuana with current legal substances such as alcohol and tobacco is used regularly by the pro-legalization groups. The response to this argument is to state that current use among teens is 50% for alcohol, 34% for tobacco and 19% for marijuana. If we want to see marijuana use among youth equal to alcohol and tobacco, then we should go ahead and legalize marijuana.

Legalizing marijuana would add a third drug that combines some of the most serious risks of alcohol and tobacco. Marijuana offers both the intoxicating effects of alcohol and the long-term lung damage of tobacco.

Marijuana is linked to alcohol and tobacco to site the hypocricy involved with the debate to maintain its illegal status. The same officials that wish to see this drug obliterated go home and toast to their success everyday. Marijuana is in fact much less dangerous than alcohol simply because it is not toxic like alcohol is. Alcohol is a poison in your system that your body wishes to get rid of, however, marijuana is not toxic and will not kill you. You can drink a bottle of whiskey and die, but you can smoke 50 joints and even though you will probably feel horrible and your lungs will hurt you will not overdose because it is near impossible to overdose on marijuana. From the tobacco prespective, I would much rather somke marijuana than tobacco because it is not as addictive as tobacco. Tobacco smokers consume a pack a day wheres marijuana smokers on average smoke twice a week or less. On the long run, tobacco users experience a life expectancy that is about 10 or 15 years shorter than a person who does not smoke tobacco, however, marijuana smokers will experience minimial long term lung damage because they smoke far, far less.

Tobacco companies similarly advertised cigarettes as medicinal until the Federal Trad Commision put a stop to it in 1955. Medicinal marijuana is the "Joe Camel" of the promarijuana lobby, since it is children, the first time users, who are most impressed by these erroneous health claims.

Perhaps but surely doctors did not. People seem to neglect that thousands of physicians and health care professionals believe in marijuana's medical benefits. Doctors who smoke tobacco do not tell their patients that it's healthy. In addition, children are impressed by the health claims because they stand in stark contrast to what they were taught that this drug will kill you. Now that medical evidence is mounting to prove otherwise, they are quite curious and will probably smoke to find out for themselves what all the fuss is about.

06-02-2001, 10:14 AM	#11
Pothead returns Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Cool. . . Lemme hit a couple of points real quick that some of you didn't mention. Alright, TEN THOUSAND studies??? TEN THOUSAND? C'mon people! Ten thousand!? I dont believe that for a second. Also, many of you just automatically assumed that STucking Foned's statement about cancer was correct, just mis-used. It is mis-used and incorrect. Marijuana has NEVER EVER caused a death, as I'm sure you have heard. This INCLUDES cancer. Marijuana has NEVER CAUSED CANCER. Ever. And it never will, because the only thing it contains more of than tobacco is tar. Also, the other main health concern produced by smoking is suffering shortness of breath. It's odd, but marijuana does not produce the same inflamation of the lungs that other smoke produces, which is where shortness of breath comes in. Im sure there are some people reading who just smoke weed, right? Well tell me how much worst you breathe than when you started. Yea, that's what I thought. Also, it was stated that marijuana gives the same bad health and intoxicating effects as alcohol combined witht he bad health effects of smoking tobacco. WRONG! Once again, tobacco kills thousands every year, marijuana has never killed ANYONE! Alcohol kills thousands a year as well. Once again, marijuana has never killed ANYONE. That means ANYONE, for ANY REASON! Including overdose and or cancer. As for addictive, my friend cleric already testified to that. Also, don't blame pot for mental conditions that already existed before the action of smoking pot ever occured. WTF do people think drives a person to smoke in the first place?? Anyway, the depression I have that existed for YEARS before I started smoking is 99% better. Here's something to put the anti-pot people back on the deffensive.. . Legalizing would cut crime drastically. The drugs would be out of the hands of dangerous gang related drug dealers and instead be put right into the hands of the same people who put an age limit on tobacco and alcohol, with probably a higher(no pun intended) age limit than 18 or 21. And as any kid who doesn't have a cigarette smoking parent can tell you, cigarettes are alot harder to get than weed at the moment, simply because of the age restriction.

06-02-2001, 12:32 PM	#12
KWhite Seasoned Activist Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,224 Grams: 3702.67000000001 [Check] Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 66 Thanked 80 Times in 54 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	And the facts are... First, any study of marijuana in the United States of America must be conducted using marijuana from an approved source, and is only supplied after approval from the D.E.A. It is fact that such approval is rarely given, hence these ten thousand studies must have been undertaken outside of america, please provide supporting literature. Fact is, according to the Governments own, and most recent study, published by the institute of medicine, marijuana does NOT have addictive qualities. marijuana Does have valid medicinal uses, especially in the areas appetite stimulation, chronic pain. Fact is, this was determined by scientists and doctors, not judges or politicians. Fact is, proposition 215 obviously did not legalize marijuana for all, medical marijuana users are still being arrested. Fact is, the supposed immune system degradation does not take place, it is myth. Fact is marinol is ineffective in many patients due to 1. a long absorption time through the stomach 2. The danger of overdose which is not present in an inhalation delivery system. 3. The lack of those other chemicals which, while little understood, cannabinoids among them, which may have an effect upon the illness being treated, studies outside of America have shown cannabinoid receptors in the human brain, which are there to bind with cannabinoids produced within our own body, regulating such things as appetite and inter-neural communication, all of which seems to be helped by whole cannabis. Marinol lacks these. Fact is, The University of Hannover(Germany) Is in the process of studying marijuana for use in glaucoma patients for which no other currently accepted medicine provides relief, they are very hopeful more such patients can use marijuana to control intra-ocular pressure. Fact is, marijuana derivatives were shown to actually destroy one type of brain tumor by scientists in Spain last year, a huge breakthrough, barely reported in the United States. Fact is, marijuana can be inhaled using a vaporizer, thus deleting the supposed ill effects conveyed by the burning of said. Fact is, violence among marijuana smokers is generally seen, when the marijuana consumer mixes his or her dosage with alcohol. Case in point, at a major sporting event in Holland last year, Authorities limited sharply the alcohol sales permitted, while urging cannabis cafe's to stay open. Soccer violence did not occur. Fact is the Food and Drug Administration, the D.E.A. and the U.s. Health service are Administration organizations, and being so are required to follow Administration guidelines and policy. Fact is, there are NO data on the potency of thc in marijuana in the 1960's, this is pure fiction, also, should any have survived in police lockers or anywhere else, thc degrades with time, a chemical analysis at thispoint in time would of necessity confirm this myth, through simple rot, but true data do NOT exist. Fact is, again, the Institute of Medicine, joined also by the canadian journal of medicine, both have dismissed the "Gateway" theory as unrealistic, finding no statistical or biological evidence that would support this conclusion. Fact is, it has been concluded by several research institutions, that mental or psychic illness, while perhaps aggravated by marijuana and other drugs, is not caused by marijuana, and also it is stated, the aggravation mainly affects schizophrenic personalities, and recedes quickly when use is stopped, the number of people so affected, is so small as to be statistically null. Fact is, socially marijuana prohibition, and the ills caused by said, are inextricably linked with alcohol prohibtion. It is to be shown, the use of tobacco, while legal, has been the subject of an ever growing campaign of information, this has brought the level of American tobacco consumers down to a level of 20% of population. The campaign of disinformation which marijuana and its consumers has been subjected to, shows young people the lies inherent in prohibition, thus decreasing any respect for the Government or law enforcement, and leading them to the belief that those lies also encompass harder, more dangerous drugs. Fact is, the prohibiton of marijuana, exactly like the prohibition of alcohol, creates and fuels a criminal black market, which then, given huge amounts of working capital, successively grows and becomes harder to eradicate. It is this criminal element which seeks to bring drugs, and not just marijuana, to our children. It is also exactly this criminal element which would be deleted should marijuana be legalized, seing no profit margin, they would turn elsewhere. We would still need to fight this element, but we would have turned some portion of their funding away from their war chest. Fact is, marijuana needs to be returned to the area of responsibility in which it belongs. The personal one. Puff well Kelly __________________ "Your mind is your own, your body as well, from the soul we need not speak, tend it well, making those decisions you deem worthy, aware all responsibility is in your hands when the smoke clears" Kelly L. White "It is a principle of natural justice that when bad men make bad laws, or when unprincipled authorities compromise good ones, citizens are justified in protecting themselves from the very authority that compromised law and order." Gandhi Our Posting Guidelines

06-02-2001, 05:06 PM	#14
RIP JMorrison Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 700 Grams: 703.149999999997 [Check] Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Marijuana & Immune System Marijuana does impair the immune system? I though that fact was just bulldung like most other anti-pot facts. I'm not saying I don't believe any of you. I just want to make sure. But can anyone post a link to a report or something that proves this? Thanks. __________________ There are things known and there are things unknown and in between are the Doors - Jim Morrison 9-11-01

06-02-2001, 08:42 PM	#15
KWhite Seasoned Activist Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,224 Grams: 3702.67000000001 [Check] Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 66 Thanked 80 Times in 54 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	A few answers for you http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1404 (smoking pregnant...research) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1404 (Same as above, part two) http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/misc/myths.html (MARIJUANA MYTHS w/sources) http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...ngPotAIDS.html (US Studying Pot & AIDS) http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...fedrivers.html (Studies at home and abroad..stoned driving) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=42 (Marijuana for migraines) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=42 (U.K. stoned drivers) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1776 (Pot and HIV) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1372 (marijuana and sex) http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...gh-school.html (Hemp grow info 1913-1915) http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...rresearch.html (U.S. Govt sells low grade pot for research, assuring slanted data) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1418 (Studies reveal that marijuana protects against brain damage from stroke, heart attacks, and nerve gas.) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1569 (THC destroys brain cancers) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1346 (British research shows sativa better than indica at treating pain) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1576 (US government knew in '74 and covered up the news) http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1706 (Pot for pain relief U.K. study) http://www.cannabisculture.com/libra...ish-codex.html (The British Pharmaceutical Codex 1934) I realize we have a links forum, and I leave it to the Administrators to judge my action here, but there seem to be a lot of questions, the articles and studies behind these links may provide the answer, to why the original post is such nonsense. Concerning the immune system, one has to look very closely, and read througha lot of news and studies (WHich I have just spent 4 hours doing) prohibitionists always say yes, other Doctors tend to say no, still up in the air sorry I could not find a definitive answer for you YET.

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06-02-2001, 03:19 PM	#13
SirSmokesAlot Posts: n/a Grams: [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Just read the most recent Federal study on Marijuana. That will change your mind about it. Ironic isnt it? (Or you can read the Federal Study they commissioned way back when they were just making it illegal, that one said Marijuana is not harmful also)

06-03-2001, 02:07 AM	#16
deadhed Posts: n/a Grams: [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	>Marijuana is currently up to 25 times more potent than it was in the 1960's, making the drug even more addictive. TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET SOME OF THAT! I want weed thats 125% THC!

06-03-2001, 02:16 AM	#17
deadhed Posts: n/a Grams: [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Why is it that when anti-drug organizations talk to parents, their statistics always show a huge increase in drug usage, but when they're trying to get funding for congress, drug use is always shown to be on the decline?

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