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blondie0420

Heroin also comes from a plant. As does cocaine and morphine, magic mushrooms, peyote, wormwood (a hallucinogen) and a lot of other stuff.

And if you want to get into the whole "it's from the earth" debate, tobacco also comes from the earth, and so does caffeine, and then you've got things like poison ivy and poison oak. A lot of plants can also be poisonous if ingested, such as hemlock, oleander, and chinaberry.

All I'm trying to say is, just because something is a "plant," that really doesn't mean a whole lot. (Even though that does seem contradictory to what my signature currently reads...I just like that quote.)

Also, I think you mean "personal" rather than "personnel." That, and, "felony" isn't spelled with an "ie." Someone who scored in the top 10 in their state on a GED test should know this.

They have salaried employees because they need people to do most of the organizing. They need people who will take the time to draft letters, speak to journalists, do research, write opinion papers, fight legal battles for them, and so on. Not everyone has the time and opportunity to work for free, and non-profits, in light of that, often hire people to work for reasonable wages (not anything out-of-this-world) because they have certain shit that needs to get done that people aren't going to do for free.

I find it interesting that you cannot understand this when you claim to have accomplished what you have. You own a business and you can't grasp the concept that people aren't willing to work without pay? That doesn't read so well, for me at least.

Sorry if I'm being a jerk, but don't talk down about legitimate non-profits when you don't have a clue as to how they operate. Sure, there are some non-profits that don't conduct their business appropriately and put as much as possible of the donations they receive toward their respective causes, but as far as I'm concerned, organizations like NORML are not like that.

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carlover_36

Whoa, someone piss in your Cherrios?

Poison Ivy aint illegal. Cocaine is not a plant, just uses a plant plus a few things. And I also don't think anything I want to ingest into my body is anyone's concern but my own. I used Felony in the plural, becoming FELONIES. Thank You very much. Yeah, I misspelled the other word. Sue me.

I don't own a compnay, yet, I manage a business for a Corporation. (Just to clarify)

My problem with NORML, and others, is not so much them having to pay a few people for services. As it is the gross amounts that are paid. I'm not gonna go and get the numbers for ya, but it's infuriating to me. Just my opinion, aint gonna argue with ya about it. K?

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blondie0420

Thanks, I'm aware.

My point was just that the "It's just a plant" argument doesn't fly because the mere fact that something is a plant doesn't prove much of anything nor does it mean it is safe and healthy for human use. That was my point, which apparently I should have clarified.

It comes from a plant. That's what I meant.

Ok, but when you make a word plural, you usually tack an "s" at the end. Felonie is not plural, it's just spelled incorrectly.

As you used it (ie. "I have six felonie (sic) convictions"), it still should've been "felony" with a "y."

Well, maybe you should go get the numbers. My point was that it is simply a fact of life that non-profit corporations must pay some private individuals to perform certain duties and services for them that others will not do for free. If you're going to posit that these people are paid "gross amounts," then perhaps you should go find some facts and evidence to support that statement. Otherwise, I am left with no choice but to continue to support my original assertion(s).

Jewbutca

Damn we've gotten way off topic here, lol

I edited a few things in my original post.

Also I've only gotten about 20+ responses for the survey. People, it literally takes 1-2 minutes, and most people who have taken it said it was actually enjoyable. I'd really appreciate your responses.

--Jew

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I took your survey, and I did find it enjoyable. I especially like that one can list his/her own thoughts on the pros and cons of cannabis use.

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Andrew87

Any time someone uses the "it's a plant" argument with me, I tell them to go see what happens if they smoke some water hemlock - I can nearly guarantee it will be your last joint.

I strongly recommend letting the "it's only a plant" rhetoric in regards to legalization die, because it makes you sound ridiculous to people who don't smoke.

But anyways, onto Jewbutca's post:

Eh, I dunno...I'm still undecided on 21 vs. 18.

Careful...

This is just absurd. I think just about every reason has been mentioned already by other members as to why.

I don't know about this one, either. I think prohibiting someone currently on probation or parole is the furthest I'd go with this aspect - and even that I'm not sure about.

This sounds like nothing but a waste of public funds. The only people who stand a chance at benefiting from these sorts of programs are the ones who actually want to be there - making this a requirement would simply be viewed as a formality.

This isn't really something you can just 'do.' People have been trying to improve the standard of education in the U.S. forever - it isn't as easy as it seems.

People already are encouraged to make something of themselves, the problem is that they either can't or don't - it isn't a matter of being uninformed.

As Blondie already pointed out, the violence factor is due largely if not entirely to the black market. What exactly do you mean by decrease it (violence) through education?

Maybe by your standards...

A friend of my family dropped out of college his first year and got into radio. His only educational attribute was a high school diploma. Today he owns several $1,000,000+ houses and has a net worth of millions more (coincidentally, he also smokes weed). I would guess he pays more every year in taxes than my entire family combined (several of whom have post-grad degrees, by the way). So remind me again, who's more beneficial to the community??

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$moKeDanK

yeah its a plant, but it can be used as a drug and have bad effects to you if abused

Jewbutca

I do feel that 21 should be the legal limit for smoking weed and alcohol. I'd be willing to adjust this view if high schools and parents put more effort into teaching their kids to be safe and responsible when drinking or smoking. I would hate hearing someone injuring them self or someone else because of their use of either substance. I know that education in this matter wont guarantee safer users, but hopefully they will be more aware of the possible consequences of their actions.


Yeah, after hearing from people I was reminded that people can still be beneficial without college experience. I adjusted the original post to reflect this.


Yeah true. I've been thinking about this one too and I guess people can learn from their previous actions. I agree with you on this one.


Even having a class (or speaker) in high school to teach teens about the effects would be good enough for me, but I think people should understand what the positive and negative effects can be through usage. I think that putting funds into classes would be better than having to deal with possible consequences in the future. Again I know that classes wouldn't guarantee safer users, but at least they'd be given the opportunity to understand more about the drugs out there instead of going in blind and not knowing what to expect.


I'm not completely sure. I'd just hope that if people can learn to live together instead of focus on our differences (likely hard to eliminate completely) we'd be able to decrease violence. I guess education wouldn't decrease violence directly, but I'm sure that if people would be able to use marijuana without having to worry about going to jail then they wouldn't feel like they have to use violence to get out of situations (especially ones involving the police).