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JohnBoySmoker · 06-18-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzby

I really don't see that much difference between the generations. They start out in adolescence and their 20s with all kind of radical ideas about the future. When they hit 30 and have to deal with kids and mortgages, they tend to become more conservative. This phenomenon seems to repeat with each succeeding generation.

I'm 59. When my generation ("Baby Boomers") were in our teens and 20s, we were the wild hippies, smoking and dropping anything we could find. Now our younger members are characterizing us as "the problem" in the Drug War and can't conceive of themselves ever changing. I find this hilarious.

People as they mature tend to become less interested in hedonistic activities and buckle down to the realities of building a future for themselves and their families. When I read reports of young teenagers being stoned all the time, it makes me wonder about the wisdom of legalizing drugs. Uncontrolled drug use is not a positive value and uncontrolled drug use by 13-year-olds is a scary proposition. This is why parents who used drugs in their own youth often change sides when they see the kind of world in which their children are growing up.

Amen Brother.
How did those slogans go? "Power to the People" and "Tune in, Turn on, and Drop out." How well did those turn out?
Well, people dropped out and then realized that they didn't have a 401K built up.

**Dark** · 06-18-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnBoySmoker

Amen Brother.
How did those slogans go? "Power to the People" and "Tune in, Turn on, and Drop out." How well did those turn out?
Well, people dropped out and then realized that they didn't have a 401K built up.

. I suggest you look up the meaning of "Turn on, tune in, drop out" before you go quoting it again

JohnBoySmoker · 06-18-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark

. I suggest you look up the meaning of "Turn on, tune in, drop out" before you go quoting it again

I know what Leary meant...how did the REST of the world interpret it, is what really matters, right?

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Leary later explained in his 1983 autobiography Flashbacks:
“'Turn on' meant go within to activate your neural and genetic equipment. Become sensitive to the many and various levels of consciousness and the specific triggers that engage them. Drugs were one way to accomplish this end. 'Tune in' meant interact harmoniously with the world around you - externalize, materialize, express your new internal perspectives. Drop out suggested an elective, selective, graceful process of detachment from involuntary or unconscious commitments. 'Drop Out' meant self-reliance, a discovery of one's singularity, a commitment to mobility, choice, and change. Unhappily my explanations of this sequence of personal development were often misinterpreted to mean 'Get stoned and abandon all constructive activity'.

Buzzby · 06-19-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rwb214

It is not the government's job to raise our children and tell them what is right and wrong. That is the job of every parent whether they step up to the challenge or not.

You're right, but good drug education isn't about "right" and "wrong". It should be the facts about the nature of various drugs, their actual effects, and potential dangers. An informed decision about using drugs needn't be a moral one ("right" or "wrong"). It makes more sense for people to be well-informed and make up their own minds based on the facts rather than someone else's moral judgement.

A parent's role is to give their children a moral base from which to make informed decisions.

KWhite · 06-19-2008, 09:27 AM

I have to agree with Buzzby-

Just the facts, ma'am-

If they need morals instilled, it is the place of their parents.

Not a government.

Good thoughs in this thread, thank you all for your replies.

Oh, and I'm stying optimistic after reading these...

US NY: OPED: Legalize Every Drug

US NY: OPED: Legalize Every Drug

By: John Stossel

And this

US AZ: OPED: Legalization Would End Drug War in Mexico, World

US AZ: OPED: Legalization Would End Drug War in Mexico, World

By: Author: Richard Mack
Note: The writer, who lives in Safford, was Graham County sheriff for eight
years. Before that, he spent 11 years as a sergeant detective and
undercover narcotics officer with the Provo police in Utah.

They are hope making.

I hope I can post those here, can I post those here?

They seem so relevant in light of the pessimism I'm seeing.

r4inbow2rhin0 · 07-19-2008, 04:53 AM

I voted "yes," but I still believe there is a strong truth in the "it's the money" option as well.

While the generation that lived through the Summer of Love and similar events worldwide during their teen years grows old, they will certainly have differing views than their parents seeing as how they have experimented for themselves.

As for saying the new swell of acceptance is a result of people seeing the money in the cannabis industry, yes, more people are seeing the light. However, the fact that so much money is involved is one of the major reasons that cannabis has not taken even bigger strides towards legalization in my opinion. It is a common stoner statement to say that weed will never be legal because it wouldn't fit in our somewhat corrupt capitalist system because no big business would be able to take over. The question you pose here though makes this truth more evident to me, because one thing that will never change from generation to generation is the pursuit of big money, greed is unavoidable in this world.

View Poll Results: Is the change toward drug freedom a generational phenomenon
Yes	8	40.00%
No	4	20.00%
Not really, mankind is becoming more "Rights" conscious as a whole.	5	25.00%
No, it's the money...	3	15.00%
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

06-19-2008, 09:27 AM	#15
KWhite Seasoned Activist Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,238 Grams: 4,187.92 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 79 Thanked 97 Times in 61 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I have to agree with Buzzby- Just the facts, ma'am- If they need morals instilled, it is the place of their parents. Not a government. Good thoughs in this thread, thank you all for your replies. Oh, and I'm stying optimistic after reading these... US NY: OPED: Legalize Every Drug US NY: OPED: Legalize Every Drug By: John Stossel And this US AZ: OPED: Legalization Would End Drug War in Mexico, World US AZ: OPED: Legalization Would End Drug War in Mexico, World By: Author: Richard Mack Note: The writer, who lives in Safford, was Graham County sheriff for eight years. Before that, he spent 11 years as a sergeant detective and undercover narcotics officer with the Provo police in Utah. They are hope making. I hope I can post those here, can I post those here? They seem so relevant in light of the pessimism I'm seeing. __________________ "Your mind is your own, your body as well, from the soul we need not speak, tend it well, making those decisions you deem worthy, aware all responsibility is in your hands when the smoke clears" Kelly L. White "It is a principle of natural justice that when bad men make bad laws, or when unprincipled authorities compromise good ones, citizens are justified in protecting themselves from the very authority that compromised law and order." Gandhi Our Posting Guidelines

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07-19-2008, 04:53 AM	#16
r4inbow2rhin0 New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21 Grams: 397.85 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I voted "yes," but I still believe there is a strong truth in the "it's the money" option as well. While the generation that lived through the Summer of Love and similar events worldwide during their teen years grows old, they will certainly have differing views than their parents seeing as how they have experimented for themselves. As for saying the new swell of acceptance is a result of people seeing the money in the cannabis industry, yes, more people are seeing the light. However, the fact that so much money is involved is one of the major reasons that cannabis has not taken even bigger strides towards legalization in my opinion. It is a common stoner statement to say that weed will never be legal because it wouldn't fit in our somewhat corrupt capitalist system because no big business would be able to take over. The question you pose here though makes this truth more evident to me, because one thing that will never change from generation to generation is the pursuit of big money, greed is unavoidable in this world.

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