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o_t00high_o · 09-01-2008, 06:19 AM

That is one of the most horrible arguments ever.
Marijuana is already one of the most controversial topics out there, bring in religion and you are just clogging an already stopped up legal process to bring marijuana to the people.

According to religion you aren't supposed to harm your body, and believe it or not, weed smoke definitely isn't good for your body. You also said it is a god given right "to choose what we can do to our bodies and what we cant do". then promptly contradicted yourself by saying " God would rather have me enjoy something natural after working hard then something that would harm this temple". If its a god -given right to put WHATEVER we want in out body, why not cocaine?

Also according to god you should not need a foreign substance to enjoy your life, he would rather you enjoy your life and getting happiness by helping others, contributing to the cause of spreading his word, and just mirroring your life in the way of his.

And by the way, something offensive isn't saying something not true, it's saying something that OFFENDS someone. Many people can be offended by MANY things, such as you STATING YOUR BELIEF. So then by you're logic, your beliefs are not true.

And no as stated before, it would not be a strategic move to back up legalizing marijuana with religion. Mainly because religion is not science, its not backed up wtih piles and piles of physical evidence, and, as much as you want to believe so, IS NOT FACT. And if you think the legalization movement is nothing but hippies smoking pot and chanting anarchist views, then that shows how truly ignorant you are on all the pro-pot groups, bills, proposal, etc.

And that whole "lets all smoke some weed in a very public place" idea would do nothing but piss off the politicians. You are trying to compare a massive turning point for a human ethnicity that was contributed to by a legal march of MANY people to a massive congregation of law breaking.
"You won't do what we want, SCREW YOU, we are going to do what we want anyways."
Hints at government overthrow itself, no?

Learn your facts, then come back here.

I'm going to be nice and contribute this whole argument of yours to just getting toio DAMN high though.

shibshib · 09-01-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joker1985

God will help us win the drug war!!! If you feel choose whatever name you call the one who created this earth, the cosmos we live in, but please realize that God (or whatver you choose to call this all knowing diety) has put marijuana on this earth for humanity. Listen if we dont have a spirtual reason to win this war then we automatically lost. Imagine for a second that all the marijuana smokers (us) where to gather in the national mall sort of like the million man march. We all have a choice to put whatver we want in our bodies, its our natural right and its are right to choose what we can do to our bodies and what we cant do. Thats a God given right!!!! Look at the reason why African Americans got their civil rights (not fully but yes a huge improvement, and not to mention civil rights for all races) it was because God was the foundation, any other argument in the eyes of politicians, who if are christian? have to ponder this and cant really stop a movement of spirtual minded people.Heck we have a defense for religion in our constitution. I ask personally for every one on this board to ponder on this and pray on it. I dont enjoy life because of marijuana I enjoy life because everything that is good come from God. Knowing this has enable me to further my relationship with my girlfriend, my family, my friends. Knowing this has help me to also enjoy marijuana more, I dont need it to live but I also know that God would rather have me enjoy something natural after working hard then something that would harm this temple (body) that he created. Amen

With much love, Thanks to Yawheh!

1 Corinthians Chapter 10 verse 23-26

The Believers freedom

"Everything is permissible"- but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"- but not everthing is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of consience, for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

If you do use this verse and some self righteous wise person tells you oh its says "eat" not "smoke". You having reason from the creator will say well then that means I can also eat marijuana.

Nice Dreams and God Bless

Lets destroy babylon!!!

I'm almost thinking this is a potential troll... only because the people I know of that are religious enough to even know of the term "Yawheh", yet alone use it... they would never use it simply because it is seen as too sacred to ever be spoken.

Seems like a catch-22 I guess.

Herbania · 09-01-2008, 09:30 AM

The flying spaghetti monster uses mary-jane instead of oregano in his sauce.

KWhite · 09-01-2008, 04:38 PM

In my experience, the Gods help those that help themselves.

In concatenation- many of the "Churches" have expressed a wish to see some sort of change in the drug war as they see their flocks go to prison. American christian churches have stated that the ills of the drug war are much greater than the ills of any drug.

Fatherless/motherless homes, prison for non violent people and a record that won't let them ever achieve again to name two.

Hope that helps

Kelly

Marvin420 · 09-01-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect

God hasn't helped me in any of my other struggles, he most certainly won't help us win the drug war.

That doesn't bode well for you, now does it? How do you like your steaks cooked?

**SpiralArchitect** · 09-01-2008, 08:14 PM

^

I haven't needed any 'God' to help me in my struggles.

Everything I have succeeded in and failed at in life I have only myself to hold accountable for.
All of my accomplishments were of my own creation and cause. '
God' was never there holding my hand or giving me advice, even in the most desperate, darkest and bleak moments... and there have been plenty of those.

And medium-rare, since your asking....

SoThrowd · 09-01-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by o_t00high_o

Also according to god you should not need a foreign substance to enjoy your life, he would rather you enjoy your life and getting happiness by helping others, contributing to the cause of spreading his word, and just mirroring your life in the way of his.

Marijuana is not a foreign substance. It is all natural and created by god himself. I believe that god has created this plant to bring us joy because he loves to see us happy. Weed also help us to connect with so many different kinds of people and have a great time sharing stories while in the circle smoking weed. And our bodies were made to take in this substance and break it down safely. So there is nothing bad with the plant itself.

runamukk · 09-01-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect

^

I haven't needed any 'God' to help me in my struggles.

Everything I have succeeded in and failed at in life I have only myself to hold accountable for.
All of my accomplishments were of my own creation and cause. '
God' was never there holding my hand or giving me advice, even in the most desperate, darkest and bleak moments... and there have been plenty of those.

And medium-rare, since your asking....

Same holds true for me. All of the faith that that religious folks put into god, I have in myself.

Buzzby · 09-01-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by joker1985

God will help us win the drug war!!!

It's been going on for 38 years. Has God been on a long coffee break?

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If you feel choose whatever name you call the one who created this earth, the cosmos we live in, but please realize that God (or whatver you choose to call this all knowing diety) has put marijuana on this earth for humanity.

That's why I breakfast on deadly nightshade and sleep with cobras.

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Listen if we dont have a spirtual reason to win this war then we automatically lost.

I find it interesting that everyone on every side of every war in history has had God on their side. Of course, half of them lose...

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Imagine for a second that all the marijuana smokers (us) where to gather in the national mall sort of like the million man march.

Imagine for a second that more than 0.25% of American marijuana users were willing to spend five minutes and $25 to join one of the major pro-legalization organizations. If they aren't willing to do even that, what are the chances that they're going to spend hundreds of dollars and make their identities know by publicly going to a march on Washington?

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Look at the reason why African Americans got their civil rights

Because tens of millions of people who weren't African-Americans got behind it? I was part of the civil rights movement because I'm a humanist, not because God thought it was a good idea. Many religious leaders are against locking people up for smoking weed, but they're not going to make a lot of effort to support your "right" to get stoned.

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Offensive is saying somethings that is not true

Wrong. Offensive is saying something that offends someone, whether it's true or not.

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Atheist should not even be offended because if they really didnt believe in God

Atheists are offended when religionists try to tie important social issues that have nothing to do with religion into their religious framework.

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Yes even if your view's dont really align with religion if you were too actually smoke a joint, blunt whatever with a multidude of other people doing the same, wouldnt it appear strategically better if legalization was backed up with pure motives than with a bunch of "hippies", smoking pot, singing weird hippie songs with curse words ( oh you didnt know hippies are aggresive these days) and acting all anarchist chanting overthrow the goverment?

Huh? That doesn't fit the reality of any of the people making serious efforts to end marijuana prohibition. I've worked with NORML, MPP, DPA, and SAFER. They're all very businesslike and make every effort not to jeopardize their messages by giving the impression that marijuana users are anywhere outside the mainstream culture.

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Doing all that hollering and shouting with overthrowing the goverment does not do us anygood it just makes us look negative.

Do you know what a "straw man argument" is? That's when your opponent can't be challenged in reality, so you make up something awful about him and argue against that.

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Smoking a joint in the national mall with a million other people might get you arrested but it will literally only be a misdeameanor, and if they up the ante then hey will have to deal with a million felons at once, not very likely.

As I said before, the chances of getting a million potheads to spend the time and money to march on Washington when they can't be bothered to join NORML is pretty unlikely.

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Politicians only see in numbers and they will have to come to terms with reality.

24,000,000 marijuana users vs. 300,000,000 Americans. 8%. Don't need to listen to those assholes!

Skip Intro · 09-02-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by joker1985

Offensive is saying somethings that is not true, like your a lazy weed head that cant even type on the keyboard lol. Atheist should not even be offended because if they really didnt believe in God then why would they bother responding or a even trying to refute what I said, so I could really care much about their opinion, which they have their right just as I have the right to say what I want regardless, if people care or if they dont, there really isnt a difference, but thanx for bringing that point up.

I'm offended because not only are you caught up in mankind's most dangerous and damaging lie, you're attempting to spread it.

Like Sam Harris, I believe the stakes are too high and the damage is too great for atheists to idly stand by and let idiotic statements about god and faith pass by unchallenged.

You're wrong, I can prove it, and I'm not taking this shit anymore.

09-01-2008, 04:38 PM	#14
KWhite Seasoned Activist Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,240 Grams: 4,615.82 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 81 Thanked 106 Times in 63 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	In my experience, the Gods help those that help themselves. In concatenation- many of the "Churches" have expressed a wish to see some sort of change in the drug war as they see their flocks go to prison. American christian churches have stated that the ills of the drug war are much greater than the ills of any drug. Fatherless/motherless homes, prison for non violent people and a record that won't let them ever achieve again to name two. Hope that helps Kelly __________________ "Your mind is your own, your body as well, from the soul we need not speak, tend it well, making those decisions you deem worthy, aware all responsibility is in your hands when the smoke clears" Kelly L. White "It is a principle of natural justice that when bad men make bad laws, or when unprincipled authorities compromise good ones, citizens are justified in protecting themselves from the very authority that compromised law and order." Gandhi Our Posting Guidelines Last edited by KWhite : 09-02-2008 at 06:50 PM. Reason: I type slower than I think...

09-01-2008, 08:14 PM	#16
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o_t00high_o Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 610 Grams: 1,611.25 Groans: 6 Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts Thanks: 22 Thanked 127 Times in 87 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	That is one of the most horrible arguments ever. Marijuana is already one of the most controversial topics out there, bring in religion and you are just clogging an already stopped up legal process to bring marijuana to the people. According to religion you aren't supposed to harm your body, and believe it or not, weed smoke definitely isn't good for your body. You also said it is a god given right "to choose what we can do to our bodies and what we cant do". then promptly contradicted yourself by saying " God would rather have me enjoy something natural after working hard then something that would harm this temple". If its a god -given right to put WHATEVER we want in out body, why not cocaine? Also according to god you should not need a foreign substance to enjoy your life, he would rather you enjoy your life and getting happiness by helping others, contributing to the cause of spreading his word, and just mirroring your life in the way of his. And by the way, something offensive isn't saying something not true, it's saying something that OFFENDS someone. Many people can be offended by MANY things, such as you STATING YOUR BELIEF. So then by you're logic, your beliefs are not true. And no as stated before, it would not be a strategic move to back up legalizing marijuana with religion. Mainly because religion is not science, its not backed up wtih piles and piles of physical evidence, and, as much as you want to believe so, IS NOT FACT. And if you think the legalization movement is nothing but hippies smoking pot and chanting anarchist views, then that shows how truly ignorant you are on all the pro-pot groups, bills, proposal, etc. And that whole "lets all smoke some weed in a very public place" idea would do nothing but piss off the politicians. You are trying to compare a massive turning point for a human ethnicity that was contributed to by a legal march of MANY people to a massive congregation of law breaking. "You won't do what we want, SCREW YOU, we are going to do what we want anyways." Hints at government overthrow itself, no? Learn your facts, then come back here. I'm going to be nice and contribute this whole argument of yours to just getting toio DAMN high though.

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