Gee

It WILL happen, I'm very optimistic about this. I've only really been into the legalization debate for about 12 months but in that short time I've seen a tidal wave of pro-pot movies/docos and news clips on Youtube.

The only way it will stay prohibited is if they can convince pro-pot people to turn anti-pot. I haven't yet ever heard of this happening. In my experience it's almost always the anti-pot people changing their tune towards the greener side.

I think it's best left to the Norml/MPP/LEAP staff to do this the right way. Donate and support the professionals and let them do what they do best. Shouting "LEGALIZE!" will do nothing other than making your throat sore before your next bong

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Futuregrower

So TheMeatball and I came to peace, and I am posing the question again, in the hope of other voices. Also, I note the poll is split right now between 'shouting now,now,now' and 'making it legal for everyone, even schoolbus drivers on duty', with no votes for the ' government will never allow it'. 'FutureGrower is really smart' is trailing by 1 vote, but may make it up when the 2 people who voted 'really high right now and have no idea what's going on' come down, possibly changing vote to the FutureGrower plan. Or maybe forgetting why they came. Depends on the MJ I guess.


So, What's YOUR view on the subject, now that we can hear you without TheMeatball and I shouting?

Here's your . Ride that puppy.

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DRO Nukka Plz

That's very thoughtful. It would be beautiful if it actually happened.

Futuregrower

and now for what FutureGrower ACTUALLY WROTE.

The fact that you have never had an accident does not mean you don't have reduced reaction time, impaired judgment, or are the world's best, worst, or in-between driver while high. It simply means you have never had an accident. I used to drive a truck for a living, and have at least 350,000 accident-free miles in a big rig. For many of those, I was exhausted- the type of tired that comes from driving (in some cases) 40 hours straight. (not all for the company- had side jobs they didn't know about) This does not mean I am a better driver when tired- just that I am a good driver, plus I got lucky. Usually, what I see is people pointing to 1 or 2 video's, saying that makes the case, while ignoring the fact that MJ does, in fact, reduce reactions, etc. Also, you make the point about stoned vs. high- I say it's like alcohol, a little = a little impaired, a lot = a lot impaired.
Whjat I want to see is many people, driving many courses, high first , then sober, then compare times/scores. I'd like to see, say, first 1 pill (keeps it from being ingested differently, like some toking hard, some puff-puffing lightly) then 2, etc., untill you reach a state where you can no longer do it. Then, do it stone cold sober.
Do this with a good sample- lets start with 100 people, male and female, close to same age. Keep the scores secret untill all are done, and let's see what happens.
Does anyone out there know of tests like this?
Untill one comes along, I take the 1 or 2 videos about driving high with a pound of salt.

And, 1956 was right- I was getting at the fact that high, stoned, reading a paper, chatting on the cell phone, not the best driving habits. Tell the insurance company you drive high, or get a D.U.I. for weed, and get put in a higher risk catagory. Why is that? A huge conspiracy, or actuarial tables?

tdlex420

Before I talk about anything else I have to comment on that last part. Considering all the propaganda about weed that so many people believe, that last statement of yours is a moot point. Regardless if you were put into a high risk category, it would have absolutely nothing to do with scientifically proven facts since there has never been a study to prove without a doubt that driving while high is bad.

Now as for everything else I'll start with me personally, and I'll start by saying driving while high is not something everyone should do. As almost everyone on here would agree weed affects different people differently so for someone to say without a doubt that driving while high is bad is a little far fetched without any data to back up that point. I've never done any scientific research based on this but I have smoked a lot of weed and driven a lot of different vehicles in my lifetime. I would happily take any driving test (of vehicles I am familiar with) while high and would bet money that I score just as well if not better while I am high.

For one, I have ADHD so my mind is almost always in a million places at once but when I get high and get behind the wheel of a car all of my attention is focused on driving safely. Another thing you mentioned about weed is that it decreases your reaction time, which again isn't always the case. I know for a fact that weed (again while being an average high, and not stoned) does not decrease my reaction time, as I have done plenty of research on that. Ranging from taking multiple reaction tests to something as simple as playing video games. I'm not saying my reaction times were always faster or anything but the simple fact that the times were never more than a few tenths of a second off from each other, while high and not high is quite interesting.

As far as you having been a truck driver goes, it's true that it gives you a ton of driving experience in multiple situations and environments. Plus the fact that you've went 350k plus miles without an accident is a credit to your driving abilities. Regardless of what anyone thinks, until there is enough scientific evidence about driving while high people are always going to debate the idea of driving while high. For me, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I'm a better driver while high but I have friends who can't drive in a straight line while high. So again it's not something that is for everyone but there are people who actually are better drivers while high, and I am one of them.

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Vesey

plan needs moar legalization.

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mastanick

LOL im reallly really high right now and i was thinjking gee i hope theres a imm really high and cant read button and u did hahahahah.

Mr57

i think it being illegal is just the right level of regulation. i just think the penaltys for having it should be lowered

TheMeatball

You think marijuana should be illegal? What do you feel would be an appropriate penalty for possessing 1 gram of weed? How about 1 pound? How about trafficking?

I'm also curious about how you've reached the conclusion that marijuana is best kept an illegal black market product.

Futuregrower

mr57, If MJ is kept illegal, would that mean anyone can be busted on-the-job for a small amount of THC in the blood?

What I'm trying to do, here, is get people thinking. If it is FULLY LEGAL, then it is like a loaf of bread- no regs. on buying/selling/making bread, untill you go over a certain number of loaves ( think school 'bake sale' - not regulated like someone making 10,000 loaves).
If MJ is TOTALLY ILLEGAL, then high penalties for growing, owning, possessing, eating, smoking it.
So, given that I'm trying to avoid shouts of " LEGALIZE IT NOW!!" what limits are you willing to accept?
for instance, to me, it seems weird that a medicl MJ state can set the limit at 12 plants growing, 8 ounces cured.......do they realize how much 12 plants can yeild if they grow big?

What level are we willing to accept in a pilots blood? or a surgeons? or even a Semi-truck driver? (I was a truck driver, I know a few who drive high. They are begging for an accident to be labeled 'thier fault' no matter what happened) 0 tolerance? 'cos you can't tell for sure if it was smoked 24 hrs ago, or 2 weeks.

Also, what age limit? 18? 21? 16? none? What about parents, in my state a parent can share a beer w/ a minor......should we expect the same for weed?

Anyway, this was really more of a thought-provoker than anything. All to often, I hear people shout 'LEGALIZE IT!!' without coming up with any of the answers about who,what,where, when, etc.
So, respond or not- but do think about it. IMHO, no-one will get anywhere without knowing what you want, what you will ask for, and what you will settle for.
Would you settle for vastly reduced penelties? easing the restrictions for growing? Unlawful MJ only if your under 16/18/21?
Remember, even the holy grail of Amersterdam has restrictions on MJ........