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Old 09-01-2005, 06:43 PM   #1
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After spending a month working the legalization bit, I have come to the conclusion that ending marijuana prohibition is impossible. Nobody gives a damn about it. Not the pot heads and definately not everyone else. So basically everyone on this site is just wasting their time. We are just individual citizens that have no power and are at the whim of the government. So if you like pot, prepare for a lifetime of fear, fines and imprisonment because that's what you will get. The cops have plenty of guns, handcuffs, cells and no scruples about destroying your life just because you like marijuana. Not only is marijuana illegal but even talking about making it legal can get you fired and bring police attention on you. So I say, "Good luck," to the legalizers but you haven't got a snowball's chance in hell. Especially, since weed wasn't legalized in the 60s when there was vocal public support, it most definately will not be legalized now or any time in the forseeable future. Marijuana itself may be harmless but the prohibition apparatus bent on stopping it is so ruthless that a bunch of pot heads will never be able to overcome it.
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:58 PM   #2
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Funny, I think it will be legalized.

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Old 09-01-2005, 07:48 PM   #3
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After spending a month working the legalization bit, I have come to the conclusion that ending marijuana prohibition is impossible.
It certainly won't be accomplished by people who give up after a month. I've been at this for more than 30 years and I still have hope. I don't expect it to be realized in a month.


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Nobody gives a damn about it. Not the pot heads and definately not everyone else.
I wouldn't say "nobody". I agree that there are not nearly enough people. That's why our primary tasks are education and lobbying. Until we can get people to start contributing we have to take low-cost measures to further those tasks. That's why this site exists. That's why I'm constantly badgering people to sign up and contribute their time and money.

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So I say, "Good luck," to the legalizers but you haven't got a snowball's chance in hell. Especially, since weed wasn't legalized in the 60s when there was vocal public support, it most definately will not be legalized now or any time in the forseeable future.
Since the 60s, most states have decriminalized marijuana to some extent. That's a definite move in the right direction. In my state, if I'm caught with less than 3.5 ounces I get a civil citation, no criminal record, and a maximum $100 fine. That beats the hell out of a felony conviction.

Eleven states have medical marijuana laws. Last year Alaska had full legalization on the ballot. The initiative got 41% of the vote. Nevada will have a similar item on its next ballot. Those are steps in the right direction.

It's not nearly as exciting as across the board national legalization, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:07 PM   #4
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It certainly won't be accomplished by people who give up after a month. I've been at this for more than 30 years and I still have hope. I don't expect it to be realized in a month.
30 years of work and the only victory you can claim is that the cops don't screw you as hard as they used to? That's failure in my book. Pot will never be legal because then what stupid reason will the police have to brutalize the citizenry? Power corrups, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:16 PM   #5
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Funny, I think it will be legalized.
If you think it will be legalized or should be legalized then it must suck being a police officer and busting kids for it. Most cops do NOT support the legalization of marijuana because it would make them hypocrites for all the pot-heads they've cracked already. Like we've said before: cops don't make the laws or policy, they just enact it, like the Gestapo following the Fuehrer. If you think that the people on American legislatures have any sympathy for marijuana users then you have got to be high. Nor will popular support work because even discussing marijuana legalization publicly can cost you your job and lead to your arrest if you still use the herb.
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Old 09-01-2005, 10:07 PM   #6
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Last year Alaska had full legalization on the ballot. The initiative got 41% of the vote. Nevada will have a similar item on its next ballot.

Once it is legalized in Alaska or Nevada, Cali and the other states will be sure to follow
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Old 09-01-2005, 10:10 PM   #7
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Pot will never be legal because then what stupid reason will the police have to brutalize the citizenry?
I find it funny that you think that this is a battle between marijuana users and the police. It is really a battle between marijuana users/supporters, and those that don't support legalization. If you convince them that marijuana should be legal, then it will be legal. If you don't convince them, then it won't. Police officers don't really have much of a say either way (other than the same individual vote that everyone else in the country has).

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Most cops do NOT support the legalization of marijuana because it would make them hypocrites for all the pot-heads they've cracked already.
No, it really wouldn't. At any given time, police officers enforce the laws as they are written at that time. If they make marijuana legal, then I will stop enforcing the marijuana laws, because it will no longer be illegal. That is not hypocritical, and it really won't make a bit of difference as far as my job is concerned. I've got plenty of other stuff to do. Also, what knowledge or experience do you have that allows you to tell me how MOST of the 750,000 police officers in the US think?

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Like we've said before: cops don't make the laws or policy, they just enact it, like the Gestapo following the Fuehrer.
Ahhh, yes. The good old nazi comparison. It HAS been a while since somebody whipped that one out, so I guess it was inevitable. Oh well.

Then again, that tactic doesn't have as much sway around here as it used to.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:00 PM   #8
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No way, Jose. Hip hop I don't stop. Pot rocks my socks, and it will be legal, Shmeegal.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:29 PM   #9
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Nacrypt...those of us who believe that unwavering committment, irresistable perseverance, and an indelible fixation to create an axiologically sound platform from which myth is dispelled by truth in order to proclaim our cause; will surely miss your support...

I am disturbed however, to find that after only one month of active participation in the effort to legalize cannabis, you have embedded yourself in a position of firm nullification on a issue that has taken decades to phlegmatically induce favorable conditions.

Some of the greatest movements, ideologies, and deserved causes in history have demanded prodigious amounts of personal, and collective sacrifices before even one of it's realization's came to fruition.

Fall down seven times, get up eight...- Japanese Proverb
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