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He is probably associated with www.nambla.org, these guys really make me sick.. Sometime in the future I hope, these guys will be shut down. Seriously, anybody else find this disgusting?

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David ML

>> Norm Caouette is also a known rat. He's escaped child sexual charges
>> before. Pedophiles make the best rats! So what was David doing
>> hanging out with Norm that winter and spring of 2004 and introducing
>> him to disabled investors?
>
> I never introduced Norm to ANY investors. Norm found all of his investors
> by
> himself.
>
>
>
>
> I heard from many of those investors. David
>> got plenty of warning about what kind of person Norm was, especially
>> since the two men had known each other for about ten years,
>
> The negative things about Norm began at exactly the same time as the
> Compassion Club separated themselves from him. Up until then all my
> experiences with Norm had been positive.
>
>
>
> but
>> despite plenty of warning that Norm was being abusive and ripping
>> people off and ratting to cops about other growers"
>
> What warnings? This is all news to me.
>
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>
>
> "David continued to
>> use his celebrity status to meet the investors (mostly disabled women)
>> and lend credibility so they would give their money to Norm.
>>
>> Amanda"
>
> So - which was it - did I "meet" investors or "introduce" investors? The
> story
> changes all the time.
>
> I thought this was finished the last time I answered these charges in the
> Advanced Nutrients discussion forum. I checked there and someone had
> erased
> the whole explaination, so I guess I'm going to have to do this from
> scratch.
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>>
>> On 8/26/05, Stephen Payne <marijuanasteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > DMl is a bad person who likes to rip people off world wide and is the
>> > biggest lier and moron you will ever come across I got endless bad
>> > stories about the piece of garbage but here's a nice one
>
> Please ... could you come up with a new one? This one's getting old.
>
>
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>
>
> ..this story
>> > comes from a girl in surrey that used to run with the BCMP..
>> >
>> > Norman Edward Caoette is a pedophile who molested my eight year old
>> > daughter. He's also a con artist who stole $$$ of dollars from people
>> > in a medical marijuana scam in winter 2003 to spring 2004. I first met
>> > him when he was resident in a homeless camp. I brought protein based
>> > food for the camp. He later introduced me to David Malmo-Levine who he
>> > said was an inspector for or to the Compassion Club.
>
> The truth is I never worked for the club - I never got a salary or was an
> official "inspector", on-call. So if anyone asks if I was an official pot
> inspector for the Compassion Club, they're likely to hear "no".
>
> But I WAS the official link between Norm and the Club in a non-paid
> capacity,
> and my job was to monitor the grow (along with another Club ex-board
> member)
> and "inspect it" to ensure it was organic. The ex-board member will verify
> this to anyone who wants further proof (just call me at 604-842-7790 and I
> will put you in touch with him).
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>
> He asked me if I
>> > would invest in his medical marijuana project. He showed me this paper
>> > that was an "intent to grow" for the Compassion Club. The guy was very
>> > persistant and I was dumb enough to feel sorry for him, and vain
>> > enough to be flattered and I thought that I might make a differnce in
>> > this world thru this medical grow. He told me such a grow was quasi
>> > legal because it serves very ill people. He told me of the brave pot
>> > activists and how hard they'd all fought (he was a leader in the
>> > movement) to ensure the right to medical marijuana. I was impressed.
>> > Norm lived at my house for about six weeks while he recovered from his
>> > ordeal of being made homeless by this alleged evil exwife. During that
>> > time he ate quite a bit. He overcame his need for the walking stick.
>> > Overtime he convinced me he was in love with me and that he wanted to
>> > help me financially to care for my children. He seemed especially fond
>> > of my eight year old daughter. I am horrified as I remember how he
>> > convinced us all that he wanted to be a father figure to my children.
>> > Despite Norm's unusually unkempt appearance and bad manners, I fell
>> > for all of it. He is known to have "the gift of the gab" and can be
>> > quite charming"
>
>
> This is the crux of the matter. Amanda and the rest of the investors
> always
> excuse themselves of their own responsibility of dealing with Norm by
> mentioning his charm. But of course, if I got charmed, it's no excuse.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - although what lies underneath is disgusting. He was
>> > very persistant in his efforts to get me to have a "relationship" with
>> > him and in
>> > getting me to have sex with him. Horror of horrors, I got pregnant.
>> > Norm claimed he was thrilled. We were now "a couple." I began to
>> > believe that he really did care about me and my kids. There is
>> > something about saving someone's life and nursing someone back to
>> > health that sort of bonds you to a person. So I decided to invest in
>> > this medical marijuana grow. I am low income but for the first time in
>> > my life had some $20,000 through a private loan. I must admit that I
>> > gave Norm some money before meeting David Malmo Levine.
>
> I'm supprised she would admit this, as she has twisted the truth in so
> many
> other places to make me look bad.
>
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> David Malmo
>> > Levine called my place frequently to speak to Norm. At some point Norm
>> > introduced in person to David Malmo Levine who presented himself as
>> > the inspector for or to the Compassion Club. This was the clincher for
>> > me. David attempted to "educate" me about the evil US government, the
>> > multinational corporations, the big pharmacuetical companies, and the
>> > value of organic (it had to be organic) medical marijuana, etc.
>> > David's presence as the inspector for or to the Club convinced me that
>> > Norm's project was legitimate. So, several months down the road, Norm
>> > had taken I'd say about $15,000 dollars of my money for his dream
>> > project. He moved into a warehouse and started the infamous project.
>> > And guess what? About that same time, I started to see very very
>> > little of Norm. He had taken about $15,000 of my money. He claimed
>> > that he had to work hard down at the warehouse. That was okay with me,
>> > for awhile. I must add here that I never expected Norm to be in a
>> > traditional relationship with me as the father of his soon to be
>> > child. I did, however, expect a fair deal and some support. I was
>> > getting "more" pregnant. We were coming up to the $20,000 mark now. He
>> > didn't want me down at the warehouse because he said it was under
>> > renovation and it would be too uncomfortable for a pregnant woman.
>> > When I insisted on the phone that I visit the warehouse he got nasty.
>> > And overtime he got nastier. To my horror he began to swear and yell
>> > at me over the phone. He'd call me names like "****ing dummy" and "You
>> > stupid *****" - and other words that let me know he wasn't someone I
>> > wanted to be around in person to hear it. I felt he might smack me
>> > around. I was now anxious to get some money back from the investment
>> > so I did not cut off communication. At times he would tell me how much
>> > he loved me and my children. I was trapped, waiting for a return on my
>> > investment, trying to manage his hostile and unpredictable behavior.
>> > When I asked him (always on the phone) what was going on, he yelled at
>> > me, swore, screamed or said that he had to focus entirely on his work.
>> > He yelled that I was stressing him out. He would tell me that I just
>> > didn't understand the sensitive nature of his work, the danger that
>> > the brave pot activists faced everyday, the security risks, the hard
>> > labor of taking care of the plants. When harvest time came Norm told
>> > me that the first crop died of mold, then the second crop died of mold
>> > too, then the third crop died of ...you guessed it..mold. So he didn't
>> > have any money to give me in return for the thousands I'd given him.
>> > Norm fully acknowledged that I had saved his life by pulling him out
>> > of the homeless camp and funding his dream project. He said he would
>> > be able to pay me back soon. Norm was on his third cellphone
>> > charged in my name. He never made one single payment on the cellphone
>> > bills. I started to get calls from creditors because I couldn't pay
>> > the bills. I started to worry that there would be no money to buy
>> > items for when the baby was born. If I brought this up to Norm he
>> > would tell me that money was coming soon. I now know that during this
>> > time Norm was conning people out of money - thousands of dollars -
>> > it's estimated that in the year 2004 NORMAN EDWARD CAOUETTE CONNED
>> > VARIOUS DISABLED PEOPLE IN AN INTERNATIONAL SCAM OUT OF AN ESTIMATED
>> > $180,000!!!!
>> > In fact, he was getting thousands of dollars from his grow as well as
>> > LARGE AMOUNTS from conning other disabled people out of their
>> > money!!!! My children and I saw none of it. When I had the baby, Norm
>> > left me at the hospital without even a carseat to bring the baby home.
>> > For those of you that don't know, you can't leave hospital without a
>> > vehicle for
>> > transporation, and you can't take the baby home without a carseat.
>> > Norm didn't care. But that scummy behavior was not the worst of it,
>> > this guy is so ****ing disgusting it defies imagination. By the way,
>> > my baby is five months old now and she is adorable. Her name is
>> > Delacey Rae. I am applying for full custody. Myself and my small
>> > extended family love her very much.
>> > So there I was, trapped in a in a nightmare with psycho Norm. It all
>> > blew apart for Norm when my mother emailed the Compassion Club. My
>> > mother was angry that her grandchildren had been, in her perception,
>> > robbed by Norm. She couldn't stand it anymore and sent an angry email
>> > to the Compassion Club. We quickly learned from the club that Norm was
>> > not allowed within a 100,000 feet of the Compassion Club.
>
> A lie. Norm's relationship with the club ended AFTER Amanda's mother
> e-mailed
> the club - not before.
>
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>
> As well,
>> > David Malmo Levine was not the inspector of the club, as we'd been led
>> > to believe by Norm and David. We learned that David did not have a
>> > nuetral role - he was Norm's business partner!
>
>
> Another lie. If I was Norm's "partner", I didn't share in the profits nor
> in
> the decision-making. I guess my role was to inspect and deliver the pot to
> the
> club .... and take all the blame for everything that went wrong,
> obviously.
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> Whether he intended it
>> > or not, David lent credibility that Norm would not otherwise have to
>> > get people to invest. The people who were conned were predominantly
>> > women with disabilities. The most horrifying part is that this year my
>> > by now nine year old daughter began to have an anxiety disorder. She
>> > has now disclosed that Norman Edward Caouette molested her while he
>> > was in my home. We have contacted the RCMP and we are going forward
>> > with a complaint. It is awful - but we are attempting to stay healthy
>> > minded for the sake of my daughter who needs our love and support.
>> > During the time I still believed that David Malmo Levine was the
>> > inspector for the Compassion Club I called David several times for
>> > help. He was always irritated by my calls.
>
>
>
> I was irritated with Amanda's unwillingness to do anything about Norm's
> actions aside from call me. She accused him of abusive behavior. I asked
> her
> if she was going to go to the police. She said no. I then told her that we
> should all be in the same room and that she could confront Norm about his
> abusive behavior with me in the room - she agreed to that but then didn't
> show
> up for one meeting and didn't follow through with it on another occation.
> I
> spent lots of time on the phone trying to help Amanda, but she didn't want
> to
> do anything about it.
>
> Had I known about the child abuse at the time, I would have insisted that
> she
> go to the police. That came out later on when she began blaming me for all
> her
> bad decisions.
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>
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>
> He told me that obviously I
>> > must have some sort of personal boundary problem to be involved with a
>> > brute like Norm. Silly me, here I had been under the impression they
>> > were friends, ...guess I was wrong.
>
>
>
> We WERE friends. I first met Norm in 1995 when he was the "official grow
> expert" for HEMP BC. Then he and Marc had a falling out. When I next met
> him,
> I had just re-opened my "Harm Reduction Club" out in Burnaby at the end of
> 1996. Norm was opening up his own pot club "Arthrology", and he was much
> help
> to me keeping my store going after 4 armed robberies. He always fronted me
> good herb and a scale.
>
> I met my future wife (and Compassion Club co-founder) "Star" at Norm's
> Club.
> Norm's wife at the time helped me move. I ate dinner at their place once.
>
> When I next met Norm, it was in 2001 in some hospital. Norm was dying of
> some
> horrible disease and he looked like he was at death's door. I paid a visit
> to
> him a few times in 2001 and 2002, each time Norm seemed about to die. I
> told
> him he had more work to do to legalize the herb, and that he should stick
> around.
>
> Sometime in 2003 he began to appear at a close friends place. This friend
> seemed also "charmed" by Norm and he lent Norm a couple of pounds to get
> started in the business again (I didn't line this up either - this was
> Norm
> charming others without my help). Norm then disappeared for a good
> half-year.
>
> When he next appeared in mid to late 2003 he had a "grow op" and he wanted
> me
> to get him a contract with the Compassion Club. Me and the aformentioned
> ex-board member served as a link between Norm and the club, but as
> everyone
> found out - the grow was a disaster. There is a learning curve to
> organics,
> and we were learning the hard way. The grow was hit by every type of
> predator
> - even the two-leg variety.
>
> I don't know anything about Norm being a child molestor - maybe he was and
> maybe he wasn't. I do know that I - like many others - was guilty of
> trusting
> Norm. The grow op didn't work out. I feel bad for those who lost their
> money -
> I lost a few hundred dollars myself.
>
> But that doesn't make me a liar or a crook. I hope this is the last time I
> have to answer to these charges, but I get the feeling it won't be.
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>> >
>> > I have many of these stories but this one is good for a starter..
>> >
>
> Let's hear the rest of them now. I love a good story.
>
> David Malmo-Levine
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>

weederella

Hey David ML - Here's a few facts you left out. You ran the thing into the ground with Norm. You knew Norm was a scammer but you met with him and his "investors" to convince these mostly disabled women that he was legit. Also, you lied to these women that Hilary Black had given this Norm permission to start a second "afterhours" compassion club. You lied to your socalled buddy "R" about where his five pounds of pot went (Norm blew the money and the pot god knows where). Norm stole thousands of dollars from very vulnerable people. You actively helped him to take advantage of those people by using your celebritiness (given to you by Marc Emery) and everyone is wondering why, because it seemed a new low even for you. And we now know that Norm was a friggin pedophile as well.

You are screwed in the head. You speak for no one about cannabis issues except those who are very confused about what is going on in pot politics in this country. GET LOST Levine. Nobody needs you.

MrIMStoned

Holy fack. The kind of stuff that's on the internet. If you don't think theres such thing as free speech then you haven't seen this web site.

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David ML

"Hey David ML - Here's a few facts you left out. You ran the thing into the ground with Norm."

If you know anything about the operation, you would know that my responsability was to provide organic ferts and check for quality and transport the herb to the Compassion Club. That was it. Norm says it failed because of theft and he learned about fert problems and pest control solutions too slowly.





"You knew Norm was a scammer..."

Right. The Compassion Club and a million other people didn't know ... just me.

Where's your proof I knew?








"... but you met with him and his "investors" to convince these mostly disabled women that he was legit."

He DID have a probationary relationship ... and he WAS trying to grow organically.






"Also, you lied to these women that Hilary Black had given this Norm permission to start a second "afterhours" compassion club."

That's a lie. I never said that.






"You lied to your socalled buddy "R" about where his five pounds of pot went (Norm blew the money and the pot god knows where)."

I never talked about that because I didn't know anything about that.






"Norm stole thousands of dollars from very vulnerable people."

Norm fucked up a grow - my only crime was to have the same faith in him the other people had.





"You actively helped him to take advantage of those people by using your celebritiness (given to you by Marc Emery)"

Ummm .... I earned that on my own. When I got famous, it was on my own dime:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-69-652-...arijuana/clip6




".... and everyone is wondering why, because it seemed a new low even for you. And we now know that Norm was a friggin pedophile as well."

Right. The Compassion Club didn't know ... nobody knew except me.

Proof please.




"You are screwed in the head. You speak for no one about cannabis issues except those who are very confused about what is going on in pot politics in this country. GET LOST Levine. Nobody needs you."

You're talking to an activist that won't let anonymous liars stop him from continuing to organize rallies, do research, print his own magazine ... as he has been doing for the last 13 years.

If you have any proof ... any credible eyewitnesses .... produce them.

 

weederella

I'm a witness and I know you're a liar.

David ML

I notice your story has some holes in it that you refuse to even deal with.

1) You were the only one with information about Norm being a child molester (how were the rest of us to know - he didn't wear a tee-shirt saying "skinner" on it, did he?) yet you a) didn't go to the police with the information and b) expected people like me (with no info) to do something about it. Had he been found guilty in a court of law, nobody would have had anything to do with him ... and you know it.

2) You excuse yourself of any wrongdoing by saying Norm charmed you, but that defense isn't open to me. Why the double standard?

I've asked these questions to you before and I've yet to get an answer. I expect this time won't be any different ... you're not being very convincing if you avoid answering these questions again.

weederella

Where do you get this information? The parent filed a complaint with RCMP. The complaint is being dealt with by RCMP. It seems strange that you now claim to have more information than you had previously. Are you just using whatever statements you can find to discredit the parent in these forums? That's very scummy, David.

You want to know how is it that you can be held accountable when Norm Caouette was able to con others? You want to know how it is that you alone are held responsible when others were conned. You want an "answer" to that question. You state that you were conned by him just like those other people. Well, that is a little unbelievable David. I have stated here that you knew that Norm Caouette was an abusive person and a con artist. You knew his history over a ten year period. He went around presenting himself as a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club, yet you did nothing to inform the many disabled people that you met with him that he was not a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club. You did nothing to prevent those disabled people, mostly women, from being exploited financially or otherwise by him. You knew that he was not in good standing with the Vancouver Compassion Club, to say the least. The disabled people you met with him did not know that he was not allowed anywhere near the Compassion Club offices because of his past abusive behavior, yet you continued to assist him to meet with disabled investors and convince those disabled people that he was legit. In actual fact, he was not a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club, he was on probationary status as a potential grower for the club. He only got that tentative status with club because of his friendship with you. Why did you then meet with investors who were mostly disabled people and help Norm Caouette to convince these disabled people that he had sponsorship from Hilary to run a second "afterhours" Compassion Club? You must have known that was a lie, given your obvious knowledge of the club. Didn't it occur to you that it was important to keep books or at least allow these people some way to ensure that you and Norm were accountable? I am told that after people began to complain about being abused, threatented and ripped off by Norman Caouette you went around telling these disabled people that no one could speak to the Vancouver Compassion Club to verify Norm Caouette's status as a representative there because it would make him look bad if people were seen to be questioning his status as representative and he would be fired. You convinced these people that if they ever dared to question Norm's status with the club they would all lose their money because he would be fired because of previous problems he'd had with the club. In other words, you helped Norm to convince people that if they complained about his abusive behavior toward then Hilary would fire him and no one would get any return on thier investment. In the end, someone did complain and he was fired.

I don't know WHY you participated in this scam with Norm Caouette. The only thing that makes sense is that this is just more of your narc efforts to discredit and hurt the movement, just like your act of putting OPIUM in the weed without telling the people who smoked it at that rally, then trying to convince all the SHEEP it was for their own good. It seems that everything you do hurts the movement, and only noobies and people who do not have all the necessary information would every believe that you are a ...what was it you call yourself..oh yea, an "activist". Well, the only thing I've seen you activate is bullshit.

David ML

"Where do you get this information? The parent filed a complaint with RCMP. The complaint is being dealt with by RCMP."

Nobody knew that when Norm first started a probationary relationship with the Compassion Club. I bet the complaint was filed AFTER he was dropped from the Club's grower's list.





"It seems strange that you now claim to have more information than you had previously. Are you just using whatever statements you can find to discredit the parent in these forums? That's very scummy, David."

It seems strange that you would claim I had more information than everyone else, and that I wouldn't act on it. When did the parent complain to the RCMP ... the date is sort of important.






"You want to know how is it that you can be held accountable when Norm Caouette was able to con others? You want to know how it is that you alone are held responsible when others were conned. You want an "answer" to that question. You state that you were conned by him just like those other people. Well, that is a little unbelievable David. I have stated here that you knew that Norm Caouette was an abusive person and a con artist. You knew his history over a ten year period."

As if. Please .... prove your ridiculous slander. Just ONE credible eye witness.






"He went around presenting himself as a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club, yet you did nothing to inform the many disabled people that you met with him that he was not a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club."

As far as I knew, he presented himself as a guy with a probationary grower's relationship - which he did. If he presented himself otherwise, it was never in front of me.

Period.













"You did nothing to prevent those disabled people, mostly women, from being exploited financially or otherwise by him. You knew that he was not in good standing with the Vancouver Compassion Club, to say the least."

As I said before, the moment the Compassion Club stopped working with Norm, so did I.







"The disabled people you met with him did not know that he was not allowed anywhere near the Compassion Club offices because of his past abusive behavior, yet you continued to assist him to meet with disabled investors and convince those disabled people that he was legit."

Nonsense. You're inventing these "facts".





"In actual fact, he was not a representative of the Vancouver Compassion Club, he was on probationary status as a potential grower for the club. He only got that tentative status with club because of his friendship with you. Why did you then meet with investors who were mostly disabled people and help Norm Caouette to convince these disabled people that he had sponsorship from Hilary to run a second "afterhours" Compassion Club?"

It never happened. You're inventing it.






"You must have known that was a lie, given your obvious knowledge of the club. Didn't it occur to you that it was important to keep books or at least allow these people some way to ensure that you and Norm were accountable? I am told that after people began to complain about being abused, threatented and ripped off by Norman Caouette you went around telling these disabled people that no one could speak to the Vancouver Compassion Club to verify Norm Caouette's status as a representative there because it would make him look bad if people were seen to be questioning his status as representative and he would be fired."

"I am told" ... you've oviously been told a lot, none of which is true. As I suspected, you weren't there, and didn't observe any of this, you were told a pack of lies and you choose to believe them rather than check it out with people from the Compassion Club.







"You convinced these people that if they ever dared to question Norm's status with the club they would all lose their money because he would be fired because of previous problems he'd had with the club. In other words, you helped Norm to convince people that if they complained about his abusive behavior toward then Hilary would fire him and no one would get any return on thier investment. In the end, someone did complain and he was fired."

I did no such thing.




"I don't know WHY you participated in this scam with Norm Caouette."

I wanted to see more good organic herb at the club. I wanted to help out a friend who had helped me out. I wanted my other friends who had helped Norm out get their money back from them. I guess what I write doesn't matter to you because you keep ignoring it in favor of your fantasy world where I'm plotting with Norm to molest small children and rip off disabled old ladies.






"The only thing that makes sense is that this is just more of your narc efforts to discredit and hurt the movement, just like your act of putting OPIUM in the weed without telling the people who smoked it at that rally,"

EVERYONE was told - some people claim not to have heard. I gave opium to Alyson M. because she was in chronic pain and it helped her. Why not try and verify some of these stories that you've been told - or at least get someone who was there to back you up on your facts.








",,,,then trying to convince all the SHEEP it was for their own good."

I consider opium to be far superior to Asprin with a better track record of safety. Every medicine is poison when used improperly, and every poison is medicine when used properly. Some medicine gets a bad rap if dark-skinned people distribute it. I guess you would rather believe the hype and buy into the stigma than to look into it for yourself.









"It seems that everything you do hurts the movement, and only noobies and people who do not have all the necessary information would every believe that you are a ...what was it you call yourself..oh yea, an "activist". Well, the only thing I've seen you activate is bullshit."

You wouldn't know what I've done for the movement because you've done nothing yourself.

Here ... please read this link of my online zine or of my shows on Pot TV or on rallies or read one of my articles on the history of chemical companies or the history of cannabis monopolies and compare it with some of your "work" for the movement .... then tell me I've done "nothing":

www.potshotzine.com
http://pot.tv/archive/series/pottvseries-12-0.html
www.cannabisculture.com/march
www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer
www.cannabisculture.com/news/potpatent

iknowthetruth

Edited for all the right reasons all you peeps and peppers