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Old 08-25-2006, 11:42 PM   #11
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Well, I agree the government could use a makeover (I am trying to be understated... ), but I don't believe our voices aren't heard.

I more believe that the majority of us are silent, or write a letter to an editor or a congressperson and consider our job done.

It takes a lot of work to be as free as we can be. We have to actually be involved. Grass roots organizations, actually showing up to places...Making a pest of ourselves to whatever government, business we take exception to.

The majority of Americans are apathetic. It isn't that the powers that be won't listen, it's just we aren't making them. Too few of us screaming.

Oh, and no prostitution legalistation getting on any ballots that I know of, I can think of two states voting on the legalization (not decriminilization, not medical use) of cannabis this fall.

If only there were more people getting out in those states and making their voices heard. You can bet that the government is going to have its say the closer we get to voting time.
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Old 08-26-2006, 03:32 AM   #12
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I would like to see marijuana legalized, but I think you will see whores legalized first.
You just wont stop about the whores will you...
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Old 08-26-2006, 10:55 AM   #13
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Until the users of Marijuana stand up and make our voices be heard Marijuana will be illegal.Biggest problem I see with that effort is that,if I stand up and say "Hey,I smoke Marijuana and don't believe our Government has the right to tell me I cann't",I will be arrested for a felonie offense and lose my right to vote.So now I cann't vote for a canidate that shares my view.Also.if a canidate was to speak for Marijuana,that person would also be railroaded.So until the thousands,millions?,of responsible Marijuana users group together and stop the idiocy and social stigmas we will continue to be considered criminals.What a sad sitiuation in a country considered to be founded on freedom.
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Old 08-26-2006, 04:28 PM   #14
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I would like to see marijuana legalized, but I think you will see whores legalized first.
It's funny that you should mention that. One of the two states with marijuana legalization on the ballot this fall is Nevada. In Nevada, any county with fewer than 400,000 residents is free to license brothels (NRS 244.345). As this law has been on the books since 1971, it appears that whores were legalized first!
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Old 08-26-2006, 10:08 PM   #15
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Slightly off topic but since you mentioned Nevada, here's my question: Why do you think Nevada is so progressive and open minded concerning "sins of the flesh"? They may be backing off from their "anything goes" stance as they closed their all night marriage license offices.
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Old 08-27-2006, 04:41 AM   #16
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Furthermore the government doesn't legalize things to make money off them. We live in a democratic society and as such we get to elect officials with similar opinions to our own with a rightful expectation that our voice is being heard.
Uhmm..nope. The government DOES legalize things to make money. Liquor, cigarettes, all pharmaceuticals (fees to the FDA), OTC compounds for taxes, etc. As for your voice being "heard", with only 30% of America approving of the Bush administration politics (even less for ol' shotgun Cheney), it seems pretty clear that the government has engaged their selective hearing devices. The government will only "hear" if it has to do with big business or Wall Street.

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Marijuana has been legalized in like 14 states by that states legislature.
Your facts are faulty. While states have made conditional permission for medical use the feds have not budged an inch. The DEA still has authority to arrest all users, medical permits or not, and the SCOTUS has supported their right to dig into the "confidential" databanks of registered users. Most medical users don't push the legal envelope, thereby staying out of the interest of the feds. However, the policy is still zero tolerance, regardless of medical need or state approval.

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If time has shown us anything it shows that we are on the path to legalization of marijuana however it may take a while.
Maybe yes and maybe no. With the SCOTUS ruling we will need federal legislation to decriminalize first. That can only happen if there is a wholesale revamping of the entire political system. IOW, we'll need a new revolution.
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:12 AM   #17
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Slightly off topic but since you mentioned Nevada, here's my question: Why do you think Nevada is so progressive and open minded concerning "sins of the flesh"? They may be backing off from their "anything goes" stance as they closed their all night marriage license offices.
Nevada was a big empty space until organized crime built the world of Las Vegas casinos. Sin is big business, mostly legitimate business at the present time in Nevada.
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Until the users of Marijuana stand up and make our voices be heard Marijuana will be illegal.Biggest problem I see with that effort is that,if I stand up and say "Hey,I smoke Marijuana and don't believe our Government has the right to tell me I cann't",I will be arrested for a felonie offense and lose my right to vote.So now I cann't vote for a canidate that shares my view.Also.if a canidate was to speak for Marijuana,that person would also be railroaded.So until the thousands,millions?,of responsible Marijuana users group together and stop the idiocy and social stigmas we will continue to be considered criminals.What a sad sitiuation in a country considered to be founded on freedom.
Actually you are wrong. It is not illegal to say you smoke marijuana or, quite frankly, tell a cop that you are high. 2 of my neighbors are polive and confirm that as long as you carry no marijuana or smoking devices (pipes, grinders..ect.) that contain resin or small amounts of mariijuana, they cant do shit. Yadadamean?
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Old 08-27-2006, 05:03 PM   #19
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Biggest problem I see with that effort is that,if I stand up and say "Hey,I smoke Marijuana and don't believe our Government has the right to tell me I cann't",I will be arrested for a felonie offense and lose my right to vote.
Where is it a felony offense to say you smoke marijuana? No state or the federal government has such a law. If such a law were to be passed it would be found unconstitutional under the First Amendment.

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So until the thousands,millions?,of responsible Marijuana users group together and stop the idiocy and social stigmas we will continue to be considered criminals.
There are 300,000,000 people in the United States. The highest estimate for marijuana users is 27,000,000, or 9%. We don't represent a majority in any constituency. What we need to do is convince the non-using public that The Drug War causes far more problems than it solves. Maybe then our representatives would change the laws. The best way to accomplish this is to support the major organizations that attempt to educate the public and lobby our representatives.

At present, fewer than 0.2% of marijuana users have joined or contributed to the three major pro-legalization organizations. Altogether, they operate on a budget of $12 - $16 million a year, most of which is contributed by a few billionaire supporters. If users contributed 1% of what they spend on weed and accessories, these organizations would have $400,000,000 to spend annually in the effort. We're working against the ONDCP which spends $120,000,000 a year on anti-pot TV ads and the pharmaceutical industry which distributes millions to our representatives campaign chests.

If you really want to make a difference, join and, above all, financially support, NORML, MPP, and DPA. If you're concerned about exposure (which is not a real problem), send a money order in an envelope without your return address.

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Marijuana Policy Project (MPP)

Drug Policy Alliance (DPA)
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First off;I aint stupid enough to think I would be arrested for just saying I smoked pot.But I would be profiled and tracked until eventually arrested.
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