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Trocisp

No justifiable improvement?

Decriminalization in California, lightening of penalties all around the country, to the point (in the state of Ohio, my former state), that it's a simple traffic ticket if you have as much as 100 grams.

 

carlover_36

And I used to sit in the city park and smoke a joint when I felt like it. Try that now-a-days

A few states, counties, and cities (Denver,CO), have enacted laws that are in favor of Marijuana use. However, the big, bad, government still says it's a no-no.

Hence, Marijuana Illegal, NORML ineffective.

Get it?

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steakii

Can you prove that the donations made to NORML helped with this, or that NORML had anything to do with it.

Buzzby

Have you ever heard of the National Rifle Association? Firearms are legal in America, but there are always people trying to pass laws to change that. That's why I, and three million other members, keep paying to maintain the NRA and it's lobbying power.

Do you see the parallel?

If NORML, MPP, and DPA had a combined paying membership of three million people*, there's a good chance that marijuana would be legal today.

National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML)

Marijuana Policy Project (MPP)

Drug Policy Alliance (DPA)



*They only have 60,000. Get off your ass and do your part!

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troublemaker_42

Do you have any idea how much lobbying NORML does when legalization/decriminalization bills come up? They devote a ton of resources (as much as their budget allows) and they go up against the federal govt, who actively tries to shut down such activity. I'd say yes, NORML's work does contribute to the cause significantly. Heres an idea...prove that NORML's efforts have been wasted. When at least 12 strates have passed medical mj bills, and many more have decriminalized possession to varying degrees, its hard to prove their ineffectiveness. Its also hard to PROVE they were directly responsible for any improvements, but being one of the sole voices for the pot smokers of America, I think its safe to assume they played a significant role.


And Carlover, just because weed isn't legal doesn't mean NORML is ineffective. Results aren't going to be immediate. The progress made in the last 15 years is remarkable to say the least. We haven't reached an era of all out legalization on a national scale, but that hardly means that NORML is a completel failure. Without their voice, medical mj wouldn't be available to thousands, people would still be serving jail and prison sentences in more places for tiny amounts of weed, etc. Marijuana legalization is going to evolve....you're expecting something akin to the Big Bang theory instead, and thats simply wishful thinking, as far as I'm concerned. You climb mountains, you don't suddenly teleport to the top. What, may I ask, are YOU doing to legalize marijauna, and how is it more effective than what NORML and similiar groups are doing? personally, I see Norml as the experts in the field, and have no problem donating to them. They do what they do far more effectively than I could do it on my own. Buzzby's comparison to the NRA is a great example. Guns have always been legal in the US, yet thee NRA has remained to protect our rights. Why would NORML disappear the seconf legalization went into effect? A slight shift in focus could be expected, but I highly doubt the group would disband the second weed became legal.

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Buzzby

NORML and the other pro-legalization groups would certainly change after legalization was an accomplished fact. I suspect that they would consolidate into something like the NRA, the National Cannabis Association, and take up the cause of maintaining the gains that were made. There will always be groups that hate the idea of anyone having fun in ways of which they don't approve. There are still groups trying to reinstate alcohol prohibition!

One reason people don't join NORML, MPP, and DPA is that they're afraid of being identified as cannabis consumers. Silly but true. After legalization, that roadblock would no longer exist. If, as I predict, cannabis becomes big business for big corporations, they would also contribute to organizations tasked with keeping cannabis legal.

carlover_36

First off, I was not trying to downplay anyones ideals in their giveing monies to these orginizations. Not at all. It's great that ya'll want to give your money away, go for it.

My point is only that i don't believe that any of these "groups" will ever accomplish the "goal". The NRA, still begging for money, "because someone or other wants to take my gun away" ( I don't own a gun, cann't own a gun, don't want a gun. But glad ya'll got one). So, they have never reached their goal, and never will. Don't matter if ya give 'em $10, or $20,000,000. NORML, and any other group, the same thing. Reason being, if they actually accomplshed the "goal', they would be out of a job.

What do I do to help in this "war"? I try to educate people on the reality of it all. I could give a flying doughnut about what anyone thinks of my Marijuana use. Keeps me from hurting, so I can sleep, so I can go open up the shop 6 days a week. You do what you wanna do, I'm gonna do what I want to do.

And once again, thank you for donating to help make Marijuana use acceptable.

Buzzby

It took the US military 3.5 years to win WWII. Up until Japan surrendered, they were totally ineffective.

Get it?

When did we switch from "ineffective" to "reached their goal"? An organization built to deal with an ongoing situation will never be "done", whether the situation is people trying to ban guns or ban marijuana.

carlover_36

So we agree.

There is no end to this "war" on drugs.

So, these "groups" will never end the problem, and be ineffective.

Trocisp

I fail to see how anyone here is in agreement with you carlover.