KWhite

I was over at mapinc.org on my morning tear through their news asdn I see a disturbing trend.
A few examples.

It gets worse-



I can highly recommend the second article, I did not quote everything but would like to say this:

I see this as a direct, if unwanted, result of the criminalization and demonization of a harmless drug, and I would like to ask any person, conservative, middle of the ground or liberal who is in favor of this war on drugs-

Didn't y'all see this coming?

We've said for years that the human organism WILL use drugs, that it would be better overall to allow easy but controlled access to less harmful drugs, thereby reducing the trend of the MAJORITY to go looking for stuff like this.

Discusison from both sides hoped for- this makes me sad and very horrified, and I don't get horrified often or easily.

Hope this helps...


Kelly.

Plainsman1963

Each year my children get their indoctrination against "drugs" via the school system. Each year I make the point that the generalization they use: "drugs are bad" is a bit simplistic and ignorant.

If "drugs are bad" then the next time my child asks for an aspirin, they should just say no. Antibiotics? Just say no.

DARE and the similar ilk won't brainwash my children. They know that drugs aren't bad, the abuse of drugs is bad.

Hashishi

You guys have got it so easy in the States. In the UK you`d have to break something before they even thought about giving you opioid painkillers, and benzodiazepines are a total no-no. Not quite sure how all this relates to marijuana, though.

Prohibition in general, perhaps. There are plenty of safe, recreational candidates out there, pharmaceutical and otherwise and marijuana included, that will not be chosen over less safe substances due to prohibition.

It`s just another example of how painfully ass-backward prohibition is.

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Buzzby

I have to disagree. As shown in surveys and as is obvious from reading this site, marijuana is readily available to teenagers - easier to acquire than alcohol or tobacco. These poly-drug abusers could be smoking pot if they wanted to.

The only possible connection I can see is the reverse "gateway drug" effect. They're told marijuana is a dangerous drug. They see that it's not. They come to the conclusion that all of the other drugs that have been labeled "Dangerous!" are probably safe as well.

People who put unknown drugs in unknown dosages into their bodies are just incredibly stupid.

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Capton CutClass

I wouldn't say marijuana is easier to aqcuire than alcohol or tobacco but for some kids it is. Not everyone would fall into the category. There are so many "cool parents" out there that allow for the alcohol. For most teenagers all they have to do is go to the grimey gas station down the street to get tobacco.

I have learned that the thing with prescription pills is that its a very simple thing to acquire for some kids. All you need to do it find the medicine cabinet and look at the pill labels and see what is worth taking. Sometimes its the parents, sometimes its the grandparents, siblings, aunts and uncles...etc. It could be anyone. Just the other day I was at a party and I look to the left of me in the Kitchen on a shelf is a giant bottle of percocet. I have to say I was quite tempted but then my conscience took control and I went outside and smoked a blunt.

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MOST ABUSED PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

* diazepam ( Valium )

* amphetamine-dextroamphetamine ( Adderall )

* hydrocodone ( Vicodin )

* oxycodone ( OxyContin, Percocet, Percodan )

* clonazepam ( Klonopin )

* propoxyphene ( Darvon )

* hydromorphone ( Dilaudid )

* lorazepam ( Ativan )

* fentanyl transdermal patches ( Duragesic )

* methadone wafers ( synthetic morphine )

Notice these drugs are all factory made prescription drugs, all they'd have to do is stop making them....but that would cut the profit too much, huh?...........Big shift from the illegal drugs, huh?


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KWhite

Buzzby:

I've given your disagreement and your possible explanation for my theory some thought.
I wasn't sure how to explain the ideas behind my, admittedly, grand statements.

I will try, may the Gods grant me eloquence.

1. Postulate: The human animal will use drugs, of some sort, regardless of sanctions, availability or perceived dangers.
(The possible criminal record threatened by the varous governments has not show itself to be any sort of effective deterrent. Availablilty, if a favored drug is less available, another will do, from alcohol to heroin, people will find a way to alter their perceptions and the dangers are about as large a consideration for them as the possible criminalization.)

2. Kids are little versions of grown ups, often with less of an impulse and fewer life experiences to helpt them to slow down and think twice before doing something that carries possible tragic consequences.

Factors, and while I do agree with you about the reverse gateway therory, I also remember being 12 and stealing the gas tank lids from cars and trucks or buying 40 cents worth of gasoline of an evening or swiping the canister out of the back of my dad's truck so we could all sniff on it until we passed out. ((You could get a stern talkign to, but you wouldn't go to juvy hall...))

According to what I am reading, when these prescription drugs are sold, the kids pay well for them- they are clean and apparently, being medicines, are safe.

((The mind boggles in horror))

Another factor, how much cheaper can it get than opening your grandmother's medicine cabinet.

So, why the unintended consequence postulate?

We saw much the same thing, or actually, we see it regularly, in any atmosphere of prohibition- prisons provide a good model. There, they also tend to take those drugs that provide more chance of not being caught. We have seen inamtes turn from marijuana to druhgs that are "Harder" for the simple fact that these are less detectable, in bulk as well as in the blood- they get their buzz and cause fewer immediate problems for themselves.

Smoke a joint before school/work, it smells, an easily identifiable smell, for a bit- it might get you busted. The school might also test your urine or hair, that might get you busted and also, DARE says you cannot trust street drugs, poor quality, could be laced etc.

It might make you sick or get you dead.

Alcohol as well, they can smell it on your breath but hey, what's a party with no mood alterants and these things are not only produced under clinically clean conditions, they are medicines and often free.
Our laws shove these kids toward such stupid things.

Blind stubborn illogic has been woven like a black ribbon all through our drug laws and policy, we set up a culture of guilt/suspicion and expect humans to just say no becasue they are told to, it never works and yet, we keep trying.

Often, there is an acceptanbce of such things as alcohol as opposed to illicit drugs- the cop busting a beer party seem, somehow to smile, shake it off and issue a stern warning- it's only beer and they will be adults soon anyway. It's not like they were "Stoners"- with all that that entails.

If they get busted with an illicit drug, they can lose student aid, what if they get busted witih mom's pills? Do they also risk losing a chance at a higher education?

Is it easier to tell a cop that your glassy eyes are from being up too late if you don't have a pot pipe, rizla's or a funny smell about you?
Pills can be dropped in zero comma nothing flat. and if you have a buddy who's mom or dad has a bum back, you probably don't even need to go into the grungy side of town to get them. No one gets busted dealing or buying.

It is all clean and sanctified, sometimes sanctimonious, even- and false.

Perhaps I forge a connection where there is none, and no, I don't think I would wish to see it legal for below 18's, but what we are seeing, I still maintain, is a sign of the effects of what we are teaching and telling these kids.

Marijuana and other drugs, BAD consequences- they heard that part, maybe even believed it.

Pills, perceived as chic, quick and clinically approved- we need to work on this.

Best I can do Buzzby, I hope it makes my view a bit clearer-

And, as always-

I hope it helps.

Kelly.

Hashishi

Just noticed this when I logged on:



And yes, before you ask - this is the most constructive use of my time that I`ve come up with today.

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KWhite

Thats....

Karmic...

The Norns have been plucking threads again....