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Old 07-13-2003, 11:28 PM   #1
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Default Democracy? Is Cannabis's Illegality Our Own Fault?

DEMOCRACY-Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

-I most definately have not been involved or currently are involved in the polotics of pot enuf to really say alot here, but it seems to me we can't expect pot to be legalized without firstly using it's correct name besides the derogatory slangs associated with it much less expect it to be legalized while smoking it as an illegal susbstance. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm using the slang pot as i've yet to see it's negative counterpart...if i'm wrong lemme know of any negative ways the word [pot] can be used.

Now pot is not an immoral thing it is just a thing, but in terms of the democratic society we live in isn't it quite possible we should not even expect pot much less even want pot to be legalized if we constantly smoke it illegaly...all the times we were smoking bowls we could have been writing letters to our poloticians and such. I'm not saying i haven't smoked a ton of pot...but when you send money away into the blackmarket whereever that money ends up could be ANYWHERE and your responsible for it becuase black market money can be used for anything by anyone participating in black market trade which prettymuch includes anyone from simple (so called) harmless pot smokers up to military intelligence (possibly) i'm not saying smoking pot is bad or wrong or that it should be stopped, but i am saying we stand a much better chance as a community of legalizing in America if we start a mass abstinence to disprove all the myths as well as gain support from those who stand to oprress our way of life simply becuase it infringes on theirs...then after the abstinence we all most likely will be much more responsible for our period of abstinence, learned more about ourselves, democracy, and our placec in it, as well as gained alot personally even if pot isn't legalized. Now by abstinence i find it hard to think of the prospect of quiting all together..however making sure not to throw in any money to the blackmarket and or making sure to keep a very small limit on that blackmarket trade is a very good start.

So what am i saying...i'm saying if you live in America you got to follow America's rules to get from America what you want...otherwise move to Canada and frankly Canada is Canada and America is America if you blame America for anything you have blamed yourself...for a DEMOCRACY IS A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND IF YOUR NOT PARTICIPATING YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN. I have and am continuing to learn this everyday of my life by doing the best i can to remain responsible and do what i can as a 17 year old to help legalize marijuana with what little handle on that democracy i have...however through hard work persuasion and equal and fair discussion with parents and loved ones i am convinced that we have the power to shape ourselves into individuals worthy of convincing others of pots at least medical use if not further recreational benefits.

as it stands now my best words on the matter to people oppposed and not opposed has been a joke that "Pot should be legalized for people 65 years and older, i mean come on wouldn't it be funny seeing 55 year old men trying to get Fake ID's to buy pot?" It sort of makes people think at least a little makes em laugh and sort of dampens the amount of MARIJUANA IS DANGER effect ingrained into peoples minds...feel free to improve upon anything i've said and or delete the post if it is similiar to something already going around. And i would very much appreciate any and all input as to what people think about their place in democracy and how they have personaly affected the legal status of marijuana negatively, positively, and or neutraly. Pardon any spelling errors and legalization here i come!
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Old 07-14-2003, 12:27 AM   #2
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Should have gone to legalization...

But anyways, It isnt a democracy by any means. Its totally a republic, and contrary to what jefferson wanted, the central government has ALL the power.
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That's right. So many people have the misimpression that America is a democracy. There are 2 basic types of democracy, direct and indirect. America is an indirect democracy meaning that the voice of the people is not heard directly by the government, it has to go through representatives first.

The good thing about this is that everyone who is directly involved in the governtment (representatives) is very well educated so that drunks and psychos don't influence the goverment that much.

The bad thing about this is that the politicians in this country are more concerned about re-election than listening to a small amount of people that are in favor of legalization compared to the amount of people that are against it. Just think if all the politicians suddenly were forced to turn pro-marijuana all the taxpaying soccer moms wouldn't vote them.. and there goes that hefty salary.

Unless you get the majority of the people to be pro-legalization then it won't get legalized.
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:39 AM   #4
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That's right. So many people have the misimpression that America is a democracy. There are 2 basic types of democracy, direct and indirect. America is an indirect democracy meaning that the voice of the people is not heard directly by the government, it has to go through representatives first.

The good thing about this is that everyone who is directly involved in the governtment (representatives) is very well educated so that drunks and psychos don't influence the goverment that much.

The bad thing about this is that the politicians in this country are more concerned about re-election than listening to a small amount of people that are in favor of legalization compared to the amount of people that are against it. Just think if all the politicians suddenly were forced to turn pro-marijuana all the taxpaying soccer moms wouldn't vote them.. and there goes that hefty salary.

Unless you get the majority of the people to be pro-legalization then it won't get legalized.
Last time I checked most representatives were drunk psychos
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Old 07-15-2003, 02:46 PM   #5
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Question: Do most people favor out right marijuana legalization?
Answer: No.


Question: Do most people favor prohibition, or don't care at a level to change?
Answer: Yes, most people either don't care or outright favor prohibition.



That my friends in demoncracy in action. Most people, within the U.S. are either apathetic to, or support prohibition.
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Old 07-15-2003, 09:15 PM   #6
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That brings up the age old question: What's worse, apathy or ignorance?
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Someone who knows the harms that marijuana prohibition causes and yet still continues to do nothing about it is worse than being ignorant.

Ignorant people can be educated, which leads them to two paths. One, with the newly acquired knowledge, they can try and put an end to the prohibition of mj. Or two, they become apathetic about it, which then they need a swift kick in the ass to get motivated.
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Apathy, dude.

I hate apathy so much. At the college I attend a large percentage of the student body smokes pot, but doesn't care enough to even vote in mass for decriminalization.

In Nevada, our decrim. bill polled 50% for months, but none of the potsmokers voted so it ended up only getting 37%. What crap.
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really appreciate the replys...i figured if we could all quite smoking pot for a year it would drastically change the flow of black market cash forcing our government to take some sort of action being it giving us some slack or otherwise...if we could all quit for a year that would have to make some kind of a statement sublimincal or not that would massively disprove alot of BullS*&T propaganda used to keep us potsmokers under the thumb of the rockafeller democracy owning this country. i just don't think we accomplish anything when we tell the minds of those we are trying to change they have no controll cuz the first response is denial and such of the like...any ways appreciate the input and continuing to do what i can to help the cause.
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Now pot is not an immoral thing it is just a thing
Do not forget, morals are individual. To each his own. It's not immoral to you, but to some people it is.
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