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Insert_Username · 09-01-2003, 10:07 PM

Pride. The government is always right.

Rugbee · 09-02-2003, 03:03 AM

Just about every night I come home turn on the news and there's some new Prop legalizing (Medical Marijuana) the votes always pretty close 40 against and 60 for legalization Now I'd like to see where in the law it says if the voters win, and the government don't agree with the outcome they can just dismiss it, why bother voting?
The reason they don't legalize Marijuana is plain and simple it would put the prescription drug company's out of business.

OverwhelmSam · 09-04-2003, 12:16 PM

Better yet, why do we even have state laws and governments if federal law overrides state law?

Doesn't really matter because, the Will of the People is Greater Than Federal Law.

Kibbatoz · 09-04-2003, 05:41 PM

I here that overhere in mass there are alot of legislators who are up for legalizing marijuana but I never here much about it on the news or see anything you can vote on for it.

If there at the point where you can vote to see if weed is legal in any way medical or not then it can't be that bad.You won't see that many people voting for any other drug to be legal in such a close competition.

2manyDJ's · 09-04-2003, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kibbatoz
I here that overhere in mass there are alot of legislators who are up for legalizing marijuana but I never here much about it on the news or see anything you can vote on for it.

If there at the point where you can vote to see if weed is legal in any way medical or not then it can't be that bad.You won't see that many people voting for any other drug to be legal in such a close competition.

Your point is spot on. It's ridiculous how they havent a nationwide vote on whether to legalize marijuana, and probably the reason they dont is that its likely it will be legalised, which makes the whole point a joke as it is the public that pay the wages of the politicians through their taxes and the VERY LEAST they could do is follow the publics wishes. The very worst they could do is say thank you for your tax money ill take it off you and use it for my own personal use and you cant have a voice which is what theyre doing currently, this situation has to change and you have to beleive it soon will.

OverwhelmSam · 09-06-2003, 02:16 PM

The situation is changing as one domino at a time falls, but I'm not sure we would do well in a nationwide vote. We seem to be doing fine in legislative activism and media debates.

chinacat311 · 09-06-2003, 08:22 PM

CALIFORNIA:

Quote:

FREMONT -- A 41-year-old Fremont man whose dog was shot by police officers when they forcibly entered his house looking for marijuana plants has a prescription from his doctor to use pot and a certificate from the Oakland Cannabis Cooperative allowing him to grow and possess the herb, according to documents obtained by The Argus.
Robert Filgo and his 38-year-old wife, Yvette Filgo, were arrested Tuesday night after seven police officers served a search warrant at their Niles home and found 79 plants in the back yard and garage.

Yvette Filgo was booked into Fremont Jail and released with-out charges Wednesday morn-ing. Her husband was taken to Santa Rita county jail in Dublin, then to Valley Medical Center in San Jose, where he was cited and ordered to return to court in October, facing possible charges of possession of marijuana with intent to sell.

During the raid, their 1-year-old shepherd-Akita mix, Little Bear, was shot at nine times and killed as he charged officers, police said.

The incident unfolded around 10 p.m., when Filgo heard someone pounding on his front door. Before he could open the door, officers burst through shouting that they had a warrant and were going to search the home, he said.

Filgo was ordered to the floor.

Then, at least one officer fired at the dog three times, striking him once in the rear.

Although police said they were protecting themselves from a barking, aggressive dog, Filgo -- and his secretary, Tedra Sheen, who was in the kitchen at the time -- told a different version of what happened.

The dog was barking at the officers but did not move, said Sheen, 26, who is 10 months pregnant.

"They never asked him to restrain the dog," Sheen said, contradicting the officers' version of events. "They overreacted. The dog may have looked mean, but he never lunged or charged the officers."

The first three shots awoke Mrs. Filgo, who came out of the bedroom, where she had been sleeping. At least one officer pointed a gun at her and ordered her to the floor next to her husband.

While that was going on, the wounded dog ran into the kitchen, knocking over a trash can, before heading back toward a screen door near the officers, Filgo said.

At that point, police fired six more shots.

"I never heard gunshots like that before," Filgo said. "The flurry of so many shots in such a short amount of time. ... I couldn't imagine what was going on."

But police say they have a right to defend themselves.

"While executing the search warrant, they felt the dog was endangering their safety, and they have the right to defend themselves," Detective Bill Veteran said.

A Fremont police division commander will investigate the shooting, as in any incident that involves an officer firing his or her weapon, Veteran said.

During the search, some officers interviewed the couple and Sheen, while others found 79 plants -- one-third of which were seedlings -- along with a smoking device, Filgo's medical marijuana cards, several bags of marijuana and his computer. But they left behind several other bags of marijuana, a scale and all of Filgo's growing ma-terials, including lights, fertilizer and hoses.

Now, the Alameda County District Attorney's Office -- which received the case Thursday but returned it to police for further investigation -- must decide whether to file charges.

While no one will say specifically what that investigation entails, the district attorney, in order to convict Filgo, must be able to prove to a jury that he was growing the marijuana with the intent to sell.

Deputy District Attorney Richard Klemmer would not comment about this case specifically, but did say he looks at each incident on an individual basis based on all of the evidence.

"If the case and the evidence establish that the individual is selling, and we believe we can prove it to a jury, then that individual -- whether he has authorization or not -- will be prosecuted," said Alameda County Assistant District Attorney Richard Klemmer.

Jeff Jones, executive director of the Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative, said state law allows people with a doctor's prescription to possess, use and grow marijuana for personal use. But that law does not delineate what constitutes personal use, putting the district attorney's office in the position of distinguishing between those who use the drug because they're sick and those who use the certificate as a shield to grow and sell the plant for profit.

For his part, Filgo just wants his marijuana and his computer returned.

He's self-employed in the high-tech industry, calibrating quality-control equipment.

"I can't work," he said. "They have my computer with my customer list and billing information." http://www.theargusonline.com/Storie...613441,00.html

**** the war on drugs...

Rugbee · 09-07-2003, 02:33 AM

There very lenient about medical Marijuana. out here in California There’s a few spots in Oakland that have tiny little buildings where people that are either sick/ crippled/ or in server pain go to get high, there not funded by the government but from good hearted Growers and Massage therapist that donate there time and services (God Bless E'm)
I was on a Bud run to Oakland and stumbled across one, a friend and I went inside and there was this dude lying on a table, he could not move his hands or legs, it was a trip. He was only able to move his neck. so some person was rubbing his head and put a joint to his mouth so he could take a hit. It was a sad thing to see but at least he wasn’t suffering.
I can see if it was a bunch of stoners just looking for an excuse to get high but these people are literally dieing and need Marijuana to ease there pain and get an appetite because the prescription drugs they take kill there stomach and they cant eat. It’s unfortunate that the Government compares Marijuana to hard-core stuff and never looks at the benefits instead of always focusing on the Negative.

09-12-2003, 04:18 PM

Get a load of THI$ Benefit...

...talk about BUCK$

Legalization Could Yield California $1.5- $2.5 Billion/Year

Cal NORML Analysis Finds Marijuana Legalization Could Yield
California $1.5-$2.5 Billion Per Year

While California gubernatorial candidates debate ways to
reduce the state's budget deficit, legalization of marijuana looms as an attractive way of raising revenue for the state.

California NORML estimates that a legal market for
marijuana could yield the state $1.5 - $2.5 billion. A basic $1 per joint excise tax would yield about $1 billion to the state, while the state would save over $150 million in enforcement costs for arrests, prosecutions and prison.

Additional benefits would accrue from sales taxes and spinoff industries.

Total retail sales of marijuana would be on the order of $3-$5 billion, with total economic impact of $8-$13 billion including spinoff industries such as coffeehouses, tourism, and industrial hemp. (Details of analysis)

Los Angeles NORML Director Bruce Margolin, who is running
for Governor as a Democrat, is making marijuana legalization the
centerpiece of his campaign. "It is time to take California's number one cash crop off the criminal market and tax its distribution and sale," he says.

http://www.margolinforgovernor.com

Among the major candidates for Governor, while all have
endorsed medical marijuana, so far only Green candidate Peter Camejo has proposed full legalization http://www.votecamejo.org . Others candidates legal marijuana include independent BE Smith, the first Californian to
serve federal prison time for growing medical marijuana, and former Green assemblymember turned Democrat Audie Bock.

California NORML coordinator Dale Gieringer estimates the
benefits of marijuana legalization as follows:

* An excise tax of $1 per half-gram joint of marijuana
would raise about $1 billion per year, as much as the
current excise tax on cigarettes.
* Retail sales on the legal market would range from $3 - $5
billion, generating another $250 - 400 million in sales taxes.
* Legalization would save over $156 million in law
enforcement costs for arrest, prosecution, trial and
imprisonment of marijuana offenders. Intrusive CAMP
helicopter surveillance would also be eliminated.
* Based on experience with the cigarette tax, total
revenues of $1.5 - $2.5 billion might be realized.
* Based on experience with the wine industry, the total
economic activity generated by legal marijuana could be
nearly three times as great as retail sales, around $8 - $13
billion. Amsterdam-style coffeehouses would generate jobs
and tourism. If the marijuana industry were just one-third
the size of the wine industry, it would generate 50,000
jobs and $1.4 billion in wages, along with additional income
and business tax revenues for the state.
* Industrial hemp could also become a major business,
comparable to the $3.4 billion cotton industry in California.

Details of California NORML's analysis may be found at
http://www.canorml.org/background/CA....html#analysis

Just thought you would want to know!

Hugz,

Mama Budz

***Plainsman1963*** · 09-12-2003, 07:17 PM

Sounds like a plan.

Just one defining moment, I can feel it coming...

Plains

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Rugbee Jr. Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 319 Grams: 640.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Just about every night I come home turn on the news and there's some new Prop legalizing (Medical Marijuana) the votes always pretty close 40 against and 60 for legalization Now I'd like to see where in the law it says if the voters win, and the government don't agree with the outcome they can just dismiss it, why bother voting? The reason they don't legalize Marijuana is plain and simple it would put the prescription drug company's out of business. __________________ A 'fascist' or a 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal!

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Kibbatoz Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 497 Grams: 554.10 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I here that overhere in mass there are alot of legislators who are up for legalizing marijuana but I never here much about it on the news or see anything you can vote on for it. If there at the point where you can vote to see if weed is legal in any way medical or not then it can't be that bad.You won't see that many people voting for any other drug to be legal in such a close competition. __________________ Time is the master. Time can be a disaster.

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OverwhelmSam Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 389 Grams: 32.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Better yet, why do we even have state laws and governments if federal law overrides state law? Doesn't really matter because, the Will of the People is Greater Than Federal Law.

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OverwhelmSam Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 389 Grams: 32.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	The situation is changing as one domino at a time falls, but I'm not sure we would do well in a nationwide vote. We seem to be doing fine in legislative activism and media debates.

09-07-2003, 02:33 AM	#18
Rugbee Jr. Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 319 Grams: 640.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	There very lenient about medical Marijuana. out here in California There’s a few spots in Oakland that have tiny little buildings where people that are either sick/ crippled/ or in server pain go to get high, there not funded by the government but from good hearted Growers and Massage therapist that donate there time and services (God Bless E'm) I was on a Bud run to Oakland and stumbled across one, a friend and I went inside and there was this dude lying on a table, he could not move his hands or legs, it was a trip. He was only able to move his neck. so some person was rubbing his head and put a joint to his mouth so he could take a hit. It was a sad thing to see but at least he wasn’t suffering. I can see if it was a bunch of stoners just looking for an excuse to get high but these people are literally dieing and need Marijuana to ease there pain and get an appetite because the prescription drugs they take kill there stomach and they cant eat. It’s unfortunate that the Government compares Marijuana to hard-core stuff and never looks at the benefits instead of always focusing on the Negative.

09-12-2003, 04:18 PM	#19
Mamabudz Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Get a load of THI$ Benefit... ...talk about BUCK$ Legalization Could Yield California $1.5- $2.5 Billion/Year Cal NORML Analysis Finds Marijuana Legalization Could Yield California $1.5-$2.5 Billion Per Year While California gubernatorial candidates debate ways to reduce the state's budget deficit, legalization of marijuana looms as an attractive way of raising revenue for the state. California NORML estimates that a legal market for marijuana could yield the state $1.5 - $2.5 billion. A basic $1 per joint excise tax would yield about $1 billion to the state, while the state would save over $150 million in enforcement costs for arrests, prosecutions and prison. Additional benefits would accrue from sales taxes and spinoff industries. Total retail sales of marijuana would be on the order of $3-$5 billion, with total economic impact of $8-$13 billion including spinoff industries such as coffeehouses, tourism, and industrial hemp. (Details of analysis) Los Angeles NORML Director Bruce Margolin, who is running for Governor as a Democrat, is making marijuana legalization the centerpiece of his campaign. "It is time to take California's number one cash crop off the criminal market and tax its distribution and sale," he says. http://www.margolinforgovernor.com Among the major candidates for Governor, while all have endorsed medical marijuana, so far only Green candidate Peter Camejo has proposed full legalization http://www.votecamejo.org . Others candidates legal marijuana include independent BE Smith, the first Californian to serve federal prison time for growing medical marijuana, and former Green assemblymember turned Democrat Audie Bock. California NORML coordinator Dale Gieringer estimates the benefits of marijuana legalization as follows: * An excise tax of $1 per half-gram joint of marijuana would raise about $1 billion per year, as much as the current excise tax on cigarettes. * Retail sales on the legal market would range from $3 - $5 billion, generating another $250 - 400 million in sales taxes. * Legalization would save over $156 million in law enforcement costs for arrest, prosecution, trial and imprisonment of marijuana offenders. Intrusive CAMP helicopter surveillance would also be eliminated. * Based on experience with the cigarette tax, total revenues of $1.5 - $2.5 billion might be realized. * Based on experience with the wine industry, the total economic activity generated by legal marijuana could be nearly three times as great as retail sales, around $8 - $13 billion. Amsterdam-style coffeehouses would generate jobs and tourism. If the marijuana industry were just one-third the size of the wine industry, it would generate 50,000 jobs and $1.4 billion in wages, along with additional income and business tax revenues for the state. * Industrial hemp could also become a major business, comparable to the $3.4 billion cotton industry in California. Details of California NORML's analysis may be found at http://www.canorml.org/background/CA....html#analysis Just thought you would want to know! Hugz, Mama Budz

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