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Old 04-06-2008, 10:47 PM   #11
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i hate to be cynical but i'm not sure we're that close. just because obama *wants* to legalize it doesn't mean he can. he is part of a bigger machine. a machine that he needs to work with to get elected. thus, if he gets as far as the presidency he, unfortunately, will be - to some extent at least - bought and paid for.

i realize that's cynical, and i do want to believe. personally, though, i think that this change will happen as other changes happen in our society: when it becomes monetarily advantageous. in this particular case, i perhaps crisis will have to precipitate this change. for example, our state or federal governments will have to go so broke some time in the future that they are forced to relieve pressure on their budget by cutting prison and/or law enforcement budgets, and to do this they will legalize it. just a hypothetical, but i still think that something dramatic will have to happen to stimulate this kind of change. a giant organization like the DEA doesn't blink out of existence on the whim of one man, president or not.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:17 AM   #12
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only problem with the 60's, not enough violence behind the cause. i know i'll hear alot of shit about "violence doesn't solve anything" but in some cases, it does. some people only understand violence. as long as we fear the gov't, nothing will change. nothing. the feds don't give a good goddamn about what the people want. if they did, then why would they perform these raids in dispensaries in states where the majority of the people have said "yeah, it's ok". they aren't going to care how many petitions you signed, how many rallies you marched in. until every last one of them are dead, this war will see no end. 74 years and they can't turn around and say they were wrong, that they didn't really know. they would lose the people's trust and in turn be torn down. so, please don't babble on with the non-violence bullshit. peace and love, yes, but if it means a war for human rights, so be it.
So what do you propose? Begin an urban war with legalization of MJ as its main objective? How many of your pothead friends are ready to go die for the movement? I'm sure they are more than willing to let you die or let me die for the cause but not themselves.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:19 AM   #13
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i hate to be cynical but i'm not sure we're that close. just because obama *wants* to legalize it doesn't mean he can. he is part of a bigger machine. a machine that he needs to work with to get elected. thus, if he gets as far as the presidency he, unfortunately, will be - to some extent at least - bought and paid for.

i realize that's cynical, and i do want to believe. personally, though, i think that this change will happen as other changes happen in our society: when it becomes monetarily advantageous. in this particular case, i perhaps crisis will have to precipitate this change. for example, our state or federal governments will have to go so broke some time in the future that they are forced to relieve pressure on their budget by cutting prison and/or law enforcement budgets, and to do this they will legalize it. just a hypothetical, but i still think that something dramatic will have to happen to stimulate this kind of change. a giant organization like the DEA doesn't blink out of existence on the whim of one man, president or not.
Even if MJ was legalized, the DEA would still have a place and a mission or have you forgotten about cocaine, meth, heroin, etc, etc? Their job is a great deal larger and more complex than hunting down MJ.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:03 PM   #14
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Even if MJ was legalized, the DEA would still have a place and a mission or have you forgotten about cocaine, meth, heroin, etc, etc? Their job is a great deal larger and more complex than hunting down MJ.
no.. perhaps i should have chosen different words. legalization would not blink the DEA out of existence, but it would put a huge dent in their justifiable budget. imagine a huge corporation, just for instance say IBM or Nabisco. an entity that large will not allow even a tiny decrease in revenue (which is, in a government agency's case, a budget). obviously it is somewhat different because corporations have stockholders to please, but the illustration still works. now imagine a huge entity like that taking a 30%+ cut in revenue overnight. massive layoffs. a disgrace to the leaders in the organization.

pot is the most popular illicitic drug in america. it would only make sense that their budget allocation reflected that, and those in power of that organization won't let such a huge disaster happen to them without a fight.
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i honestly think that this is too good to be true, all its saying is that just cause Obama is mixed with black he's gonna legalize bud.
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i hate to be cynical but i'm not sure we're that close. just because obama *wants* to legalize it doesn't mean he can.
Obama has never said that he wants to legalize marijuana. I don't know where the author of the article or the rest of you got that idea.

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So what do you propose? Begin an urban war with legalization of MJ as its main objective? How many of your pothead friends are ready to go die for the movement? I'm sure they are more than willing to let you die or let me die for the cause but not themselves.
Fewer than 1 out of 100 pot smokers have bothered to join or contribute to any one of the three major pro-legalization organization. The thought that they'd put their lives on the line is a, uh, pipe dream.

I'm trying to think of a single social problem that has ever been solved by violence. None come to mind.
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I'm telling you, y'all are being too pessimistic- at some point, since our arguments are logical, rational thought HAS to prevail. I've said it over and over again, I believe it will break in America, it will fall in a rush, and it will then ripple across the world.

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no.. perhaps i should have chosen different words. legalization would not blink the DEA out of existence, but it would put a huge dent in their justifiable budget. imagine a huge corporation, just for instance say IBM or Nabisco. an entity that large will not allow even a tiny decrease in revenue (which is, in a government agency's case, a budget). obviously it is somewhat different because corporations have stockholders to please, but the illustration still works. now imagine a huge entity like that taking a 30%+ cut in revenue overnight. massive layoffs. a disgrace to the leaders in the organization.

pot is the most popular illicitic drug in america. it would only make sense that their budget allocation reflected that, and those in power of that organization won't let such a huge disaster happen to them without a fight.
Do you really think that MJ investigations is 30% of their overall business?
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The president has a little bit more influence than I do; presumably any presidential candidate who has the guts to openly be pro pot also has the guts to help the legalization effort.
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