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Which this statement tends to prove the opposite.


This thread has talked about Ron Paul, Bob Barr, The Chinese finances, Tibetian Terrorists, and everything else. There also was this post:

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Lol... well, I love sunny southern california, but I also love canada =P.

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As for Obama... idk... I just don't see him as an opportunity for greatness, but rather a last resort. Just for what I can scrounge up: -Supports the Death Penalty (not sure if this is true... one site said he did, another seems to say he doesn't) -Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then the douche voted for it. -Voted against banning partial birth abortion. -Supports affirmative action in colleges and government. -Supports the idea of RealID, just fumbles with the financial parts -Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. -He's rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. edit: I also really hate how he is half white and half black, yet he never seems to appeal to the white side... I thought maybe he would help end the racial divide, but then he goes and does stuff like this: Obama delegate quits over 'divisive' remark :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama It was petty and it makes me lose what little respect i had for the man

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None of you asked him to show his sources. Why? do you take this as the definitive summary of Obama's stance on these issues? Where is the proof?

His lack of placing his hand over his heart does not necessarily show disrespect for the anthem, however it does show a lack of respect for it.

What makes me lose respect for candidates in general is when they choose to fight amonst themselves. Those from the same party are going to end up defeating themselves by the old "divide and conquer", except they are dividing themselves and handing the victory to the other party.

If people cannot place a statement here and have others discuss it, whether it is fact or fiction without being attacked, is petty, opportunistic and contrary to the ideals of a discussion forum.

I am disappointed in the method you chose to address this entire issue. I am disappointed in your hostility towards any civil discussion on the subject. You want to gloat - show your perceived superior opinions. Why not just dispell the "rumor" and leave it at that? Did it make you feel superior to show your "dissapointment" in my action? I think it did. I think you saw an opportunity to attack and took it full force. I stated my opinion on what I thought of a presidential candidate who would say such a thing.

This is a DISCUSSION BOARD, not the encyclopedia. IF my statements are incorrect, then correct them. IF you can do that without beating your chests and sticking your noses up in the air, so much the better.

Is it any wonder a lot people have stopped posting to these forums? I know I am this close to ignoring these topics completely on this website for this very reason.

(She shakes her head and walks away from here, losing all interest in continuing this, or any other conversation with you people).

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Freedom_User

I really don't think this is that big of the deal. Why can't we be friends, oh why can't we be friends!

Really now, lets smoke.

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Sec

I don't smoke, but I agree that I didn't think it was that big a deal either.

Group hug???

SacredJellybean

I wasn't trying to attack or jump on you Sec, merely correct you. I'm sorry if I seemed short before, but I guess I reacted the way I did because of the circumstances. I'm obviously biased, because Obama is my candidate of choice, but the bigger part of it was that you posted information from a chain e-mail (which are in general known to carry mistruths and wild rhetoric). This contained two things, obviously: a picture of Obama not putting his hand on his heart, and his purported motives for not doing so. Him not putting his hand on his heart is not a big deal to me, but what got to me was his supposed statements, which mischaracterize him and are outrightly false (they came from a satirical website). That's what really aroused my passion, but another reason I acted the way I did was because a 1-minute google search refuted the claim.

So here we have an unreliable source (chain e-mail) containing information that misconstrues Obama's intentions and is easily disprovable. I guess that combination of things was what struck a chord with me. I'm not trying to call you out and make you feel ashamed for what you posted, but information and truth are important things to all of us here. You're absolutely right that this is a discussion board - everyone should have a voice, provided that it's within the rules. Shouldn't it also be within the rules that people post counter-points, or give other posters feedback?

I think people didn't question the opinion that you quote up there because it was less sensationalistic. Those things sound more reasonable than a U.S. presidential candidate saying the flag that symbolizes the very nation he's running for is offensive. If you wanted to make the point that one-issue-voting is foolish, you could have picked something more credible, that's all.

You said it shows a lack of respect for the anthem, but what of the other people who did the same thing?

As for this place vacating as a result of people yelling at each other? I honestly don't see it. Things obviously get heated in the Politics forum (don't they always?), but things seem about as civil as they've always been around here. If you feel like I'm acting like an asshole and alienating people, though, then I do apologize. It's not my intention.

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Sec

That is ok, I understand where you are coming from. All that needed to be said tho, was that it was a chain email and that it was not true. The sarcasm was over the top (IMO).

I do think that if we are going to have either the first female or the first black president, then they need to stop bickering about themselves and start trying to work together to overcome the republican candidate. That republican candidate is now just sitting back and watching the democrats self-destruct.

A little diplomacy towards those in the same party could go a long way towards promoting the party ideals.

 

MonarchX

I don't see why people make such a big deal about his hand on his heart. Many Europeans who come to the US do the same but not out of disrespect, but because it reminds them of "Hi Hitler!" and its quite similar. I mean really why care about such small things?

I do agree that electing him just because of Marijuana is quite stupid. I support him in many ways, but he wins the hearts of young people because its to easy to fool them (us, haha).
I don't like McCain because of he does not believe in evolution. Its about time we leave Middle Ages.

Democratic party could have done a lot better if they didn't have Hillary vs Obama going on.

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SacredJellybean

It indeed was. Sorry about that, but this might help explain it.



You got that right. He won't do shit for pot-smokers, aside from supposedly ending raids (which is still obviously very important). That's not the reason I'm voting for him, though.

When did he say that? Was it recently? Was it something he's said before, or is it perhaps an attempt to appeal to the religious right? Either way, he's an ass.

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ntity

these are my opinions hopefully this discussion can be done without more arguing.

I will be voting for Obama, listen to or read Audacity of Hope. The more i researched into the polititions the more I have to really say Obama is our best candidate. Honestly get past all the media propaganda find out what the candidate as a person is coming from and where he or she wants to help aid this country in what direction then make an educated decision instead of going with the crowd or what others say. most all the rumors people come from the fact that people will only see what fits there agenda. or what appeals to them so don't let somebody else make up your mind for you.

yes i'm telling you i'm voting for obama he may not represent you but I would still highly encourage you to read Audacity of hope or at least visit his site.

I don't like how this country has gotten with bush under his control he is an idiot. How he got in office well i just hope it doesn't happen again, I think it's because the majority didn't vote either people don't like there choices as candidates hate what politics have become especially all the curruption which is another reason i like Obama Maybe it's because politics makes everyone just start bickering like above over stupid shit and can't get past it. Come on...

This years president has some huge problems to face and we really need someone that can accomplish things and look at things in a new way without all the bs. People get stuck on some smaller issues like abortion , gun control and even decriminalizing mj even though i believe these to be very important for me, These views of smaller issues have far too much power and have been determining are presidents far too much. I just don't get it when there are far greater things at stake. Obama is about bringing us together as a country all races get past the abortion problem it's the courts and states problem the president we have now is against it yet they are still legal. i't seems like there is 1 issue that determines if someone will vote for that canidate when the presidents power is limited and aren't always the ones who have power over these issues . why let 1 political issue change who you think should be the president. Yes the president will be the one making the hard decisions impacting this country which also impacts the world. thats why we need to look at the bigger picture of who they are and what they believe all around.

I think Obama all around has the most honest approach to problems and the best solutions.
I don't agree with everything, but from where he is coming from I have a good feeling that this country will be better with him in office than any other candidate.

I could go on and on about every subject in politics and why I'm voting for obama but I don't think my reasons should matter i just encourage everyone to do a little research about hiim .



I will say this I do think giving the chance if Obama was president he would do alot to change the laws regarding MJ no he hasn't come out and said that he will decriminalize it ,but he at least has been honest on what he does believe and thats that the current laws don't work. So that means changing them some way or another and thats a step in the right directions. I believe while campaigning being selective in what he says is smart and strategical and is clear enough to me that he is for it and he understands the process of politics very well.

Also there is more we can do than we think to help decriminalize especially right now write a letter to your senator in support for HR 5842 is the medical marijuana bill, and HR 5843 is the personal marijuana decriminalization bill.

there will always be bills like this we just need everyone to speak up



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