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Old 05-19-2008, 11:25 PM   #21
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I don't see how any money is being made keeping it illegal, unless you are suggesting that every dealer is in fact working for the government
Prisons in this country are becoming privatized and are being filled with non-violent offenders. There is a tremendous industry created here with the corporations running these prisons listed on the major stock exchanges. They put prisoners to work for slave wages (modern slavery). Local police agancies can steal property from asset forfeiture, drug testing is a huge industry. Not to mention the revenue that is generated when someone is arrested and forced to battle the legal system. There are fines, mandatory drug rehab classes, etc. Just have ANY run in with the legal system and you will find out what a moneymaker it is..
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:23 AM   #22
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The bulk of the cost of marijuana presently is the "risk factor" because it's illegal. If the risk factor is removed, you would expect that prices would drop.
Could taxes potentially overwhelm the risk factor savings?
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:40 AM   #23
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Could taxes potentially overwhelm the risk factor savings?
Not really. If taxes made the price too high, illicit dealers would be back in business and people would simply grow their own. I'd take the latter course. Why not? You can make your own wine and beer without paying taxes. You can grow your own tobacco without paying taxes. Because prices are not all that high, few people take advantage of this opportunity. If prices became too high, you can bet that more people would.
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I think when herb is finally legalized we will see a jump in use as the few who were always too scared before try it and basically decide to stick to being ignorant, drone assholes like they've always been.

When it's legalized, we will also see a drop in prison populations and court time wasted on the prosecution of prohibition.

When it's made legal we can begin the research into the exact things in it that make it so helpful for certain illnesses and help to cure so much that we don't even bother with anymore. Drug companies spend billions each year on trying to find a new species of plant that can be used to fight different diseases. Imagine if some of that research money was spent on herb? How much sufferering could be stopped......

When it's legal we will have little sidewalk cafe's that cater to a smoking clientle and have quaint old names like, "Smokey Joe's".....

When it's legal, we will never again fear loosing a good job because we smoked a joint at a party last week.

When it's legal we will be able to admit we use herb and not be looked upon as criminals.

When it's legal, the old MJ.com will be the busiest website in the country maybe even the world because everyone will want to know the truth about herb and we give it away by the bucketsfull.....free...... It doesn't get any better than that........


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Old 06-30-2008, 03:59 AM   #25
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Prisons in this country are becoming privatized and are being filled with non-violent offenders. There is a tremendous industry created here with the corporations running these prisons listed on the major stock exchanges. They put prisoners to work for slave wages (modern slavery). Local police agancies can steal property from asset forfeiture, drug testing is a huge industry. Not to mention the revenue that is generated when someone is arrested and forced to battle the legal system. There are fines, mandatory drug rehab classes, etc. Just have ANY run in with the legal system and you will find out what a moneymaker it is..
yes thats very true...i have a friend that came to school and got caught with a pipe in his car..and he was forced to take classes at 100 dollars a session..went a whole week and lost 500 dollars because the school found a piece in his vehicle...because he was smoking a cigarrette they got to search his blazer...also happened again..when i was in the car...the car next to us had a guy smoking someone mistakenly thought it was us called it in and another friend got caught with pot in his car...had to take classes 100 bucks a session for a week and 75 hours of community service..along with a 3 day suspension...sorry i got a little off-topic...
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Old 07-01-2008, 02:14 PM   #26
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We are talking about when it is relegalized.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:42 PM   #27
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first take a look at the "NAU" or "North American Union"...

North American Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I do not believe it is as simple as being "theoretical" ...bush has made far too many "trips" to Canada and Mexico...
How May this impact Cannabis/Drugs overall?

then take a look at what the US is losing Annually hanging on to the fiscal Ir-responsibility

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/MironReport.pdf

Table of Contents

Someone posted that too much money will be lost to the Crooks, Liars and Thieves who propagate Prohibition...

then take a look at a rational approach...it is called "Harm Reduction"...
The Feds say it is actually "harm Promotion"

"They" tell us how bad Cannabis is, how dangerous illegal drugs are. What is Missing from the bigger picture is how many people are harmed from ALL drug use.
More than 600,000 dead Every year from Legal Drugs!

106,000 or more will die from legally prescribed drugs, not from abuse but from adverse reactions to medicines their doctors prescribed and in far too many cases, actually administered to patients while in hospital.

425,000 or more will die this year from the legal drug, tobacco

101,000 will die from alcohol use/abuse

17,000 will die from Over The Counter drugs that our kids have access to.

now compare these fatalities to the deaths caused from ALL illegal drugs combined, at just 17,000.
Cannabis=Zero Deaths
http://www.mamas.org/Images/HazardsMortality.pdf
http://www.mamas.org/Images/HazardPotential.pdf
http://www.mamas.org/Images/HazardsOther.pdf

If we educate people about drugs they are considering using, tell our kids the Truth about the consequences of Any substance consumption then they/we can make an informed decision Before we use anything, including caffeine (yes, caffeine is a drug and yes, it can kill you).
typically parents are not present as our children are subjected to "peer pressure" so we want them to understand what the potential consequences are. We need to tell our friends and family that just because the doctor prescribes a medicine to them, does Not mean it is safe and without consequence..They must learn that if the medicine makes them "feel funny" they need to communicate with their health care professional ASAP. We trust our medical providers/pharmacists, but how can they tell us all of the inherent dangers of Pharma drugs when BigPharma fails to properly educate them? When Ins Co's only allow 15 min per patient, how can a doctor/patient have time to discuss these matters?

we must be careful in considering what we want. unless and until Cannabis is DE-Scheduled there will, thru "regulation policies/laws" be a reduction of choice and quality along with penalties for stepping outside the box.

Legalizing Cannabis/tax-regulate etc looks good on paper but what are the unintended and unforeseen consequences for us?
once the Gov't steps inside this new arena do you believe it will free up restrictions regarding producing ones own medicine or do you believe the "profit Mongers" will still control and restrict availability?
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of the rabid hold the DEA has on Drug War Profits;


"When the feds act alone, they don't have to bother with fine lines, or worry about whether the cancer, multiple sclerosis and glaucoma patients they bust or whose property they seize will now live with even more pain and difficulty negotiating their already tough lives. Federal law pre-empts state law, and federal law, still stuck in the absolutism of the G-man era, says pot is a terrible drug now and forever.
The link between the wildfires and the pot raids is more than symbolic. That's a no-brainer. If more resources were diverted from the drug wars to things that really endangered the community, firefighters would have gotten some of the help last week they were begging for.
You'd think that the 800-plus fires that scourged California would qualify as endangering the community. So would the through-the-roof homicide rates in American cities. So would the shaky levees in New Orleans or, for that matter, in the Central Valley.
And so would the ports, refineries and chemical plants that remain vulnerable to attack.
There's no accurate accounting for what the nation spends on a "drug war" whose most tangible results are millions in profits for drug bosses, a huge enforcement bureaucracy, billions in annual prison costs, free-fire zones along the Mexican border and countless lives that, if the priority was treatment rather than punishment, might now be engaged in constructive work rather than decades in the slammer."

Opinion - Peter Schrag: As fires rage, the law protects us from marijuana - sacbee.com
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:01 PM   #29
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Old 07-16-2008, 07:51 PM   #30
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i think it should b legal bc in a recent study they found that cannabis is the #1 cash crop in all of the world and it actually can b used as a renewable resource and can actually solve all the US problems
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