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Old 06-27-2001, 03:16 AM   #1
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ok, my mom suffers from a syndrome called fibro myalgia which is a type of arthritis that is not curable, it causes severe pains in joints throughout her whole body, she is prescibed pain killers like loritab to releive the pain but it doesnt completely help, recently i told my mother to ask the doctor about what they think of marijuana to releive pain, the doctor told her she thinks its "pretty sucky"(what an answer), she also said that there is no reason to use marijuana for pain becuz there is a pill which is a controlled substance that is supposed to have the same component as in marijuana, i have never heard of this, i dont know if its a bull**** lie from a doctor or not, does anyone know of this substance?
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Old 06-27-2001, 03:47 AM   #2
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its called marinol its a synthetic thc pill that is supposed to do the same releif w/ out the psycoactivity i dont believe it works(pure opinion, may work well) i dont like the idea of putting anything man made in my body (i dont trust man) but mother nature put pot here and i trust her. so do what u think is best
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Old 06-27-2001, 06:08 AM   #3
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I don't believe that marinol works as good, either. I think most of the pain relief COMES from the psychoactivity. When you're high, you "forget yourself" as garcia said and your mind quits holding on to things like fear, pain, etc. I could be wrong but I don't think pot actually takes away pain the way we think of pain relief, you just forget about it. This is probably coming out stupid because I'm high. Oh well...
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Old 06-27-2001, 07:51 AM   #4
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Well, I have excruciating migraines about twice, maybe three times a month, and I know that pot sure helps me out. I'm not sure if it's the psychotropic or medicinal properties, but I could really care less because it sure as hell improves my quality of life.
On a side note, my mother died of cancer quite some time ago. For her entire life, she was extremely religious and vehemently anti-drug, but I remember a few weeks before she died she asked me to get her some pot. She used it, and said she wished she hadn't been so narrow-minded and stubborn about it before. It brought back her appetite and gave her some glimmer of joy in her last days. I guess it just goes to show that when someone is suffering enough, inhibitions tend to fly out the window. If someone is keeling over in pain, I doubt they'll care whether something is politically correct or not as much as alleviating their suffering.
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Old 06-27-2001, 07:54 AM   #5
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....and if their family members have any iota of compassion, THEY shouldn't care either. Actually, my pastor knew she was smoking, and didn't really give a cr@p. I guess it just goes to show how opinions can change with circumstance.
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Old 06-27-2001, 03:34 PM   #6
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I'm not a doctor,so I can't give medical advice and I won't.All I can do is relate personal experience.I have a neuralgia(SP)on the back of my skull.The pain was excruciating until I self medicated with the herb.Marinol is available,but try to get a doctor to prescribe it except in extreme cases.Not happening.
I've also found it to be extrememly good for my ostheo-arthritis.
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Old 06-28-2001, 03:31 AM   #7
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Marinol is prescribed as an appetite stimulant (it gives a weak version of the munchies), and does not have enough THC to produce any noticable psychoactive effect unless the user overdoses. If porcelain_haze is right and marijuana's pain relief is a part of its psychoactive properties, then it's doubtful that Marinol could provide any serious pain relief in normal doses.
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Old 06-28-2001, 04:01 AM   #8
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Heya everyone.
Cannabis does have anesthetic properties, and in Toka420's case, it would help greatly with his mom's leg spasticity. It has also been shown to reduce likelihood of lung CA. I have not had much sucess with patients using Marinol as it seems to be a "synthetic" high, and compazine works just as well for any anti-emetic properties. I would be happy to fax or email info on this to you, should you like; just drop me an email. =)
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One of the main problems with marinol, which has nothing to do with the fact that it is synthisized, is the fact that it only contains THC. Crude marijuana, on the other hand, has an array of cannibinoids not just THC, and for the most part, the effects of those cannabinoids are unidentified.

There are thousands of strains of marijuana. Todd McCormick with the aid of the late Peter McWilliams were in the process of growing a variety of strains to publish a book on which strains are best for different types of illnesses. Like Skunk#2 may be good for migraines, while White Widow may be good for the munchies, and Nothern Lights being good for glaucoma patients.

THC is present in all three of the examples above? but what makes one more effective at treating a specific illness or symptom than another? It is not the thc, but the other cannibinoids present in the plant.

The second problem with marinol is that it can take upwards of an hour before the effects begin to work. Where are whole smoked marijuana will begin working in under 3 minutes.

Marinol is a vastly inferior replacement for marijuana, and really is an insult to the pain and suffering of the sick and dying by the pharm companies trying to cash in. Sickening.

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One of the main problems with marinol, which has nothing to do with the fact that it is synthisized, is the fact that it only contains THC. Crude marijuana, on the other hand, has an array of cannibinoids not just THC, and for the most part, the effects of those cannabinoids are unidentified.
There are two main species of cannabis: Sativa and Indica. (there's also ruderalis, which is relatively rare and usually non-psychoactive, i.e. dirt weed) Indica weed, which is most of what we buy off the street, has higher levels of the array of cannabinoids (CBD [cannabidiol], CBN [cannabinol{sp?}], and THCV [no freakin clue]) that Greenman mentioned. Indica weed also gives more of a body high (couch lock, can't feel your skin) than the cerebral high (giggles et al.) of Sativa weed. I'm willing to guess that this is because of the CBDs, CBNs, and THCVs present in Indica that are not present in Sativa.

Indica and Sativa also differ in that Indica is easier to grow. This (I'm guessing again) is why most of the weed we buy on the black market is Indica. Consider this: good weed (chronic, KB, and just about any strain with a name) is grown by experienced cultivators who pay careful attention to their crop, whereas most average-quality weed is grown in quantity by commercial growers in big, unattended fields or buildings. Most Sativa strains would barely survive conditions of the latter scenario, but would be able to grow just as well as Indica under the former. Thus, more Sativa is found in high-quality weed than in what us cheap bastards usually buy.

There was a point to all that: for pain relief, you probably want either average-quality marijuana or a high-quality strain that you know is Indica.
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