Mamabudz

Well...I think we all know what this means...

If you or someone you love is a rat, a rabbit or a cat, injecting THC into your veins during REM sleep is going to seriously effect your dreams. Of course, one has to wonder what exactly a rat dreams about but that should be left only to those individuals with the proper educational background to ask those sorts of personal questions -- be it Freudian or Jungian rattus-psychoanalyst.

For the remaing members and posters on this site however, I beleive our new friend the Fanatic has reminded us of some very important points in American cannabis research. There really isn't any. And what little research that has been performed is so skewed to support the ONDCP that "any" effect is considered a "negative" effect.

Let's take a look at the "evidence" presented by Fanatic

A CB-1 receptor site is the name given to a specific area on a neuron's dendrite that recieves a particular the chemical "message" sent between neurons. Neuron is the name given a "nerve cell" by the way, and the chemical message "jumps the gap" between neurons -- the gap or space between neurons is called the synapse -- and then the receptor at the end of the dendrite -- simply the word describing the long arm and "hand" of the neuron that reaches and almost touches the next neuron dendrite -- catches the chemical and the chemical sets off a reaction that creates an electrical message that passes down the neuron to the next dendrite...switches to a checmical message, jumps the gap, get's picked up by a receptot ... and so on. These chemcials in the synapse are now referred to as Neuro transmitters.

CB-1 is a neuro transmitter. So is Serotonin and Dopamine. You may recognize Serotonin from all the talk about Depression as it was discovered not more than 25 or so years ago that a lower level of Serotonin appeared in individuals suffering from common depressive symptoms. A difficulty in the Dopamine neurotransmitter, or in the health of the nerve cell's use of Dopamine can cause conditions such as Parkinsons Disease (what Michael J. Foxx has), schizophrenia, and the palsy's associated with certain Muscular Dystrophys.

Serotonin and Dopamine naturally occur in the body and are called Endogenous chemicals. When there is a problem with these chemicals occurring in the body, medical science has discovered there are methods of increasing the levels and amounts of these checmicals by outside means -- often medications taken by pill form. In the case of L-Dopa, research has been ongoing for over 50 years.

CB-1 refers to to an Endogeous chemical -- naturally occurring in the body -- refferred to sometimes as Anadamide, but most often referred to as a naturally Occurring Cannabinoid Compound similar to THC, the component of cannabis (marijuana) that makes people feel high or stoned.

CB-1 receptor refers to that part of the dendrite of a nerve cell -- in this situation let's confine it to Brain Nerve Cells since CB-1 receptors have now been discovered all over the body -- that binds with THC, or mor speciffically the fat molecule of metabolized THC that is naturally created by the body and naturally occurs within the body for a specific purpose.

Scientists are only now discovering what that purpose -- the purpose of our naturally occurring THC -- is for. Initial findings show that THC protects the brain during brain injury trauma (concussion, stroke, blunt trauma) and during periods of heightened stress (lack of sleep, increased bodily stress). Rercent findings have noted that the levels of THC occurring in the mind of a schizophrenic have been found to be diminished compared to that of a non-schizoid affected brain.

There is a connection. But no one at this point knows what that connection is or if it is beneficial or detrimental.

Those who are anti-marijuana will state that simply because a response exists, that is bad.

I disagree -- vehemently -- A change in the way the body works -- using an adjunct to a pre-exisiting endogenous chemical well tolerated by the individaul to relieve a disease or distress is an adjunct that should be looked into seriously.

When the adjunct is cannabis - with a 3500 year written history of side effects more mild than willow bark tea -- excuse me, Aspirin -- and an anectdotal history 10 x that long supporting facts that medical science is only now proving as truth today is not "the Devil's Weed" to be hidden away, lest the chidren find out about it.

fanatic, if THC (aka, CB-1) is binding to THC (aka CB-1) receptor sites -- exactly what are the other chemcicals that are being barred from binding?

I know your example, but it has no point in this particular conversation ... moving on to your next point:

Pot kills brain cells? And these damaged brain cells that were the cause of your short term mmemory loss now are "permanently killed" so now heavy smokers have "long term brain cell" loss? And we are discussing those who use say, 2 or 3 joints a day, or more, every day for over 5 years?

Fanatic, your information is entirely out of date and I highly, sorry, seriously recommend you review the information found in the National Institute of Health's Report on the Use of Marijuana to update your information -- a link is available on the Marijuan.com home page. A review of Dr. Greenspoon's work (Harvard University) "Marihuana: The Forbidden Medicine", and perhaps a persual of Jack Herer's famous tome, available on Cyberspace "The Emperor has No Clothes" should bring you into the 21st century. What you just quoted as fact has been disproven a number of times throughout the world by numerous respected doctors and scientists.

But I must agree that those subjects in the test where students were given pot -- allowed to sleep and then woken and asked to describe their dream. Of course they had difficulty discussing (verbalizing) their dreams. They were stoned dude! Could have been worse -- if the test subjects had been chugging beer -- they'd probably of have barfed

Hugz,

Mama Budz

SevenLeafs

I didn't know where to put this, but it seemed right here.

I have been toking now for quite a few months - daily. I liked to toke right before going to sleep (but not only before), mainly because of two reasons:

1) It seemed to be the perfect place to be "weed relaxed", and then pass out and have a good night sleep.

2)This would sometimes bring me nice dreams, and very good ones.

...Until recently. I had those dreams (and remembered them) not so often, but I linked it with the weed because I'm not the kind of person that remembers all of his dreams (or most; quite the contrary), but when I toked and then went to bed, I found that the first times I did remember the dream.

Then, after 2 or 3 times, everything would go back to normal and it would be as if I hadn't dreamed at all. I stopped smoking (a much needed break) a few days ago (2 days, including today, to be exact), and I woke up this morning with a fresh dream in my mind. It was so vivid, so real, that when I woke up I was telling myself "no! go back to sleep... at least finish the dream man!".

It has been long since I had gone through a similar situation.

I was wondering, does anybody have any "ideas" about why this is? Has this happened to anybody else?

And more importantly, is this the right forum to place this thread on? ()

Peace.7L

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wesmdow

ive found that one 'withdrawl' symptom of marijuana is incredibly intense and vivid dreams for about a week after quitting. then it goes away.

i found it made quitting a bit easier, as they were usually pleasant dreams...

hauptmann

I agree whenever I stop for a while the next 3-4 days are dream filled and I have excellent dream recall. I made a post about this somewhere around here....


here we go....

http://www.marijuana.com/420/showpos...51&postcount=4

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ak-47

that is the exact opposite for me, when im smoking i have really intense werid but happy dreams, were as when im not smoking i cant really remember my dreams very often

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Mamabudz

Another Dream Thread

ahem...it sort of devolves towards the end...sorry...

Yes, weed effects your dreaming.

Folks who experience night terrors use it to limit their dream experience.

...have a cookie

Mama Budz

SamSquamsh

does anyone know if smoking marijuana has an effect on the types of dreams a person has? I usually have the weirdest dreams, one of the reasons i dont ever try any harder hallucinogens... But usually the extremely weird ones that i remember will happen on a night where i got ripped... Then for a while they stopped being too weird... then i started smoking weed again and like 2 days later i had some of the weirdest nonsensical dreams, is it just me, or does marijuana have an effect on dreams.

hauptmann

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Didn't realize we had so many threads on dreaming. Since we do though...

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Bobsmith420

Ive been smoking for about a year now full time and ive notived that i either dont remember my dreams or that i dont have them all together, Please write me with info.