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fight4rights

While I'm not currently, I might get a medical marijuana card sometime in the next few years. The reason being that I want access to that awesome club bud and want to protect myself if I decide to start growing.

I have no need for a med card, I just want one. I know this is abusing the system, but the system (drug prohibition) is whack already, right? On the other hand, many people point to the corruption of the medical marijuana system we have in place as big weakness.

What do you all think of obtaining a "medical" marijuana card without need for one?

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Buzzby

I think doing so supports the position of the prohibitionists who tell everyone that medical marijuana is just an excuse for dopers who want to circumvent the law. I feel the same way about this as I do about dispensaries that sell to the general public and which sell illicit drugs other than marijuana: it discredits the legitimate medical use of cannabis and reinforces the arguments of the prohibitionists.

I'm a medical user in a state that doesn't provide for my medical use. I've replaced a medication that cost a fortune and left me spaced out for hours in the morning with a few puffs on the vaporizer before I go to bed. I need one or the other in order to get a restful night's sleep. I'd be delighted if my state would recognize my legitimate need for this medication. That's not likely to happen if the medical marijuana system keeps showing corruption in the national press.

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Cassius

Those that are wealthy can choose where they live, and so they get their pick of all the freedoms offered by the various parts of the world. Those that are poor are sometimes stuck in areas which, because of the century we live in, offer less freedoms than might be just. I envision a future, however unlikely it may be, wherein mankind as a species does not suffer from poverty, war, intolerance, tyranny, or oppression -- but that is not the reality of the present.

So, in the present, if the proletariat doesn't defend itself by protecting what freedoms it has by not curtailing the advance of personal liberty, who will? I have to agree with Buzzby, solely based on principles.

However, I feel your plight, and I would most certainly be tempted to consider it as well if I lived in a MMJ state. I hope that I would not do as Buzzby described and hurt everyone by abusing the system, but oh would I most certainly be tempted.

On the other hand, through considering this subject at your request, I have stumbled upon a third option for you, and for me as well. It is quite simple -- rise above the ranks of the proletariat into that of the bourgiouse, and simply move to Amerstdam, Great Britain, Canada, or even Alaska (my my, isn't the list of places with greater freedom than the US of A getting long these days)!

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fight4rights

Arg! Why must you make me face my concsious with your logic?

I was afraid someone would say something like this. I was trying to appease myself by telling myself all those lies that people fall into. "Many of my friends do it already. I'm only one person, it won't make that big a difference. I'm sure other people's states will get medical marijuana eventually." Yet I know these are all farce.

The biggest dilemma I have is this: I want to grow marijuana. I don't want to go to jail. Most of us agree that we should be able to grow marijuana without fear of persecution. I know that I would be contributing to the problem that Buzzby mentioned above.

I keep thinking, what if I grow and get busted? I could spend years in prison and have my life plans seriously adjusted. I wouldn't grow without the protection of a medical card, but I can't get a medical card with a guilt-free mind.

The only solution: I can't grow.

This is also a valid option for some people. I know it's a choice to live here. I have plans to become a surgeon, so moving out of the country wouldn't be a good move for me. I would choose to live here without growing marijuana then move somewhere else and make my plans that much more difficult. Plus I'm in love with California.

Sorry for the rant. Thanks for the input.

Does anyone still want to try to make a case for abusing the system?

Buzzby

That's another good reason not to get a MMJ card! It might be legal but it wouldn't do a lot for the confidence of your future patients. The way the world is today, and more so in the future, it's virtually impossible to keep a secret about anything.

 

Lothar121

I think the line between medicinal and recreational use is fairly thin, but if you don't have any medicinal justification for using marijuana, then it probably isn't a good idea and is indeed abusing the system.

I considered myself a medicinal user in a non medical state as well. Although I enjoy marijuana for its recreational properties, I got much needed relief from migraines, anxiety, and insomnia. This is hardly a life threatening illness, but marijuana's medicinal properties go far beyond that.

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MedicinalMan

For some of us it is not a thin line of whether or not it is recreational or medicinal. (Speaking for myself) I would not have MJ around if it was not for my illnesses, Don't believe I would have ever picked up another joint if I had not reached that point of doing almost anything before I call Kevorkian. Now that I know more and continue learning about MMJ, I do believe it should be decrimmed and taxed just like alcohol. I believe that Marijuana can be very useful to the person who is not sick, to maintain good health. Just like a glass of wine or a shot of Crown in the evening.
You got some pretty good feedback already man. Sounds like you got some good ambition. Keep that above the things that would just be nice and you'll be in good shape. Why can't you help one of your buddies grow that have a card. Or better yet just have them let you grow a sampler. It is definitely theraputic for me to check on the garden.
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Cassius

Ooooo, that's an excellent point. That might be the best argument for it right there. I myself thankfully have most of my health intact (mostly due to being young I suppose), but even I self-medicate in a sense as a way to take the edge off the bipolarity I have a tendency for, in addition to using it for meditative purposes, which could quite reasonably be considered to have a significant positive impact on my emotional well-being, I should think.

What do you think, Buzzby? Is it still abusing the system if you use it semi-medicinally as well as recreationally? From an idealist point of view, I suppose you'd have to say that we shouldn't take any chances of hurting the ability of people who really need it to get it, but then from an idealist point of view it should already be legal and those of us who use it semi-medicinally should already have free access to it as well... and the medical marijuana programs don't specify the kind of medical need you must have, they simply say a doctor's recommendation. And I don't think it's a far cry to think that doctors, if they didn't fear the negative consequences of recommending marijuana, WOULD in fact recommend it for a wide variety of uses.

Buzzby

If you go to the doctor and tell him the truth about your illness and he recommends medical marijuana then you are completely legitimate. The ethical problem comes from lying to the doctor about an illness you don't really have in order to get the recommendation. When the truth comes out it looks bad for medical marijuana (and bad for you if you have a reputation you'd like to maintain).

carvonXX

I myself suffer from various mental diseases along with lower back and nerve problems. Using marijuana in my state got me doing time for a setup that was illegal. I live in a commonwealth and they are so strict and are such tightasses about it. We even have heroin and crystal meth problems and I did 10 months spanning ages 18,19,20 on a special drug court system over 1/8 of an ounce of marijuana!? I am trying to find more info on a pamphlet I saw @ a buddy's house that said there was a Reform or something for medicinal use in Nevada. If I can find out about that and other states I can move to where I can get it medicanally then I would be happy. Xanax, vicodin, lithium and the other "pills" are killing me! if anyone else views this and has info please contact me! or reply.