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JaKa · 01-03-2006, 12:56 AM

My wife forwarded me the article in a bid to get me to quit smoking pot. This is the part of the article that scares me the most:

Effects on the Heart

One study has indicated that a user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana(8). The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

How true is this? Sometimes when I smoke I feel my heartbeat pounding and I can feel it beating through my entire body. It has me worried and I was wondering if perhaps smoking really can contribute to a heart attack. Thank you!

Buzzby · 01-03-2006, 01:25 AM

Running around the block or having sex has much more serious consequences in terms of heart attack than smoking pot. Marijuana increases heart rate and probably wouldn't be a good idea for someone with serious heart disease - just like sex or other heavy exercise.

What are your chances of having a heart attack in any given hour? Multiply by four and it's still not very high.

Higher Logic · 01-03-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzby

What are your chances of having a heart attack in any given hour? Multiply by four and it's still not very high.

For a healthy, young person: zero. For an older person, probably not that high either. Multiply that by any number and it doesn't matter. Regardless, the increased heart rate is similar to exercise...and I've never heard of anyone dieing from a heart attack because of marijuana. I've heard about people dieing from sex though.

JaKa · 01-03-2006, 02:03 AM

So is this article "scare tactics" designed to deter drug use?

01-03-2006, 03:03 AM

Yes it is.

Actually the greatest chance of a heart attack is being on viagra, out of shape, and having sex.

Buzzby · 01-03-2006, 03:29 AM

That is the design of almost all prohibitionist propaganda.

As I see it, there are three real problems with marijuana: underage use, overuse, and inappropriate use. Kids need to learn to deal with normal reality before they start altering reality. People get too high for the situation or get so involved that their lives center around getting high. People get high at times when they really need to be sober.

These are not directly related to any property specific to marijuana. They apply to any intoxicating drug and have to do with the responsibility level of the user.

fight4rights · 01-03-2006, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HigherLogic

I've heard about people dieing from sex though.

I know this is off topic but, LOL! Can you imagine your partner dying while having sex? That would be horrid!

teufelfisch · 01-03-2006, 07:30 AM

How many times does being obese increase the risk of heart attack?

10x? 30x? 200x?

01-03-2006, 07:49 AM

Took a look at the American Heart Association's site...

Apparently being an old man is the leading risk factor ... sorry guys.

I also recall reading recently that Physical inactivity increased the risks more than being overweight -- enen in obesity, an active obese person was at lower risk than a normal weight individual who was sedentary.

Stress evidently is a big risk factor too.

Quote:

Risk Factors and Coronary Heart Disease

Extensive clinical and statistical studies have identified several factors that increase the risk of coronary heart disease and heart attack. Major risk factors are those that research has shown significantly increase the risk of heart and blood vessel (cardiovascular) disease. Other factors are associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, but their significance and prevalence haven't yet been precisely determined. They're called contributing risk factors.

The American Heart Association has identified several risk factors. Some of them can be modified, treated or controlled, and some can't. The more risk factors you have, the greater your chance of developing coronary heart disease. Also, the greater the level of each risk factor, the greater the risk. For example, a person with a total cholesterol of 300 mg/dL has a greater risk than someone with a total cholesterol of 245 mg/dL, even though everyone with a total cholesterol greater than 240 is considered high-risk.

What are the major risk factors that can't be changed?

Increasing age — Over 83 percent of people who die of coronary heart disease are 65 or older. At older ages, women who have heart attacks are more likely than men are to die from them within a few weeks.

Male sex (gender) — Men have a greater risk of heart attack than women do, and they have attacks earlier in life. Even after menopause, when women's death rate from heart disease increases, it's not as great as men's.

Heredity (including Race) — Children of parents with heart disease are more likely to develop it themselves. African Americans have more severe high blood pressure than Caucasians and a higher risk of heart disease. Heart disease risk is also higher among Mexican Americans, American Indians, native Hawaiians and some Asian Americans. This is partly due to higher rates of obesity and diabetes. Most people with a strong family history of heart disease have one or more other risk factors. Just as you can't control your age, sex and race, you can't control your family history. Therefore, it's even more important to treat and control any other risk factors you have.

What are the major risk factors you can modify, treat or control by changing your lifestyle or taking medicine?

Tobacco smoke — Smokers' risk of developing coronary heart disease is 2–4 times that of nonsmokers. Cigarette smoking is a powerful independent risk factor for sudden cardiac death in patients with coronary heart disease; smokers have about twice the risk of nonsmokers. Cigarette smoking also acts with other risk factors to greatly increase the risk for coronary heart disease. People who smoke cigars or pipes seem to have a higher risk of death from coronary heart disease (and possibly stroke) but their risk isn't as great as cigarette smokers'. Exposure to other people's smoke increases the risk of heart disease even for nonsmokers.

High blood cholesterol — As blood cholesterol rises, so does risk of coronary heart disease. When other risk factors (such as high blood pressure and tobacco smoke) are present, this risk increases even more. A person's cholesterol level is also affected by age, sex, heredity and diet.

High blood pressure — High blood pressure increases the heart's workload, causing the heart to thicken and become stiffer. It also increases your risk of stroke, heart attack, kidney failure and congestive heart failure. When high blood pressure exists with obesity, smoking, high blood cholesterol levels or diabetes, the risk of heart attack or stroke increases several times.

Physical inactivity — An inactive lifestyle is a risk factor for coronary heart disease. Regular, moderate-to-vigorous physical activity helps prevent heart and blood vessel disease. The more vigorous the activity, the greater your benefits. However, even moderate-intensity activities help if done regularly and long term. Exercise can help control blood cholesterol, diabetes and obesity, as well as help lower blood pressure in some people.

Obesity and overweight — People who have excess body fat — especially if a lot of it is at the waist — are more likely to develop heart disease and stroke even if they have no other risk factors. Excess weight increases the heart's work. It also raises blood pressure and blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels, and lowers HDL ("good") cholesterol levels. It can also make diabetes more likely to develop. Many obese and overweight people may have difficulty losing weight. But by losing even as few as 10 pounds, you can lower your heart disease risk.

Diabetes mellitus — Diabetes seriously increases your risk of developing cardiovascular disease. Even when glucose levels are under control, diabetes increases the risk of heart disease and stroke, but the risks are even greater if blood sugar is not well controlled. About three-quarters of people with diabetes die of some form of heart or blood vessel disease. If you have diabetes, it's extremely important to work with your healthcare provider to manage it and control any other risk factors you can.

What other factors contribute to heart disease risk?

Stress — Individual response to stress may be a contributing factor. Some scientists have noted a relationship between coronary heart disease risk and stress in a person's life, their health behaviors and socioeconomic status. These factors may affect established risk factors. For example, people under stress may overeat, start smoking or smoke more than they otherwise would.

Alcohol — Drinking too much alcohol can raise blood pressure, cause heart failure and lead to stroke. It can contribute to high triglycerides, cancer and other diseases, and produce irregular heartbeats. It contributes to obesity, alcoholism, suicide and accidents. The risk of heart disease in people who drink moderate amounts of alcohol (an average of one drink for women or two drinks for men per day) is lower than in nondrinkers. One drink is defined as 1-1/2 fluid ounces (fl oz) of 80-proof spirits (such as bourbon, Scotch, vodka, gin, etc.), 1 fl oz of 100-proof spirits, 4 fl oz of wine or 12 fl oz of beer. It's not recommended that nondrinkers start using alcohol or that drinkers increase the amount they drink.

Now consider that Cannabis has been shown to lower blood pressure and reduce stress -- if you don't succumb to a box of HoHos a night, you don't put on weight...

Of course all of us Middle Age smokers not dying would screw up the Insurance Industries' actuarial tables.

Can't wait to see the blip when it does

"We just can't seem to kill off these folks born in the 60's!" ... what is with them!

...psst...have another cookie

Cassius · 01-03-2006, 01:53 PM

If it weren't for the game in my avatar, I wouldn't get any exercise at all. =(

Thankfully I'm young and skinny with a high metabolism. But, heart disease runs in my family and I smoke.

01-03-2006, 12:56 AM	#1
JaKa New Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 22 Grams: 546.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	How true are the "NIDA InfoFacts: Marijuana"? My wife forwarded me the article in a bid to get me to quit smoking pot. This is the part of the article that scares me the most: Effects on the Heart One study has indicated that a user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana(8). The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood. http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html How true is this? Sometimes when I smoke I feel my heartbeat pounding and I can feel it beating through my entire body. It has me worried and I was wondering if perhaps smoking really can contribute to a heart attack. Thank you!

01-03-2006, 01:25 AM	#2
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,613 Grams: 36,628.62 Groans: 26 Groaned at 34 Times in 29 Posts Thanks: 436 Thanked 2,794 Times in 1,468 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Running around the block or having sex has much more serious consequences in terms of heart attack than smoking pot. Marijuana increases heart rate and probably wouldn't be a good idea for someone with serious heart disease - just like sex or other heavy exercise. What are your chances of having a heart attack in any given hour? Multiply by four and it's still not very high. __________________ "Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time. Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?" ~ Yip Harburg, 1931 Theocracy Watch

01-03-2006, 07:30 AM	#8
teufelfisch Seasoned Activist Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,416 Grams: 2,270.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	How many times does being obese increase the risk of heart attack? 10x? 30x? 200x? __________________ Posting Guidelines~Search~The Medical Garden~Drug Testing Info

01-03-2006, 01:53 PM	#10
Cassius Seasoned Activist Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,161 Grams: 2,257.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	If it weren't for the game in my avatar, I wouldn't get any exercise at all. =( Thankfully I'm young and skinny with a high metabolism. But, heart disease runs in my family and I smoke. __________________ { Cassius, Your Humble Narrator } { Posting Guidelines \| Erowid Drug Information Resource \| instantfilehosting.com }

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JaKa New Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 22 Grams: 546.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	So is this article "scare tactics" designed to deter drug use?

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Mamabudz Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	Yes it is. Actually the greatest chance of a heart attack is being on viagra, out of shape, and having sex.

01-03-2006, 03:29 AM	#6
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,613 Grams: 36,628.62 Groans: 26 Groaned at 34 Times in 29 Posts Thanks: 436 Thanked 2,794 Times in 1,468 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	That is the design of almost all prohibitionist propaganda. As I see it, there are three real problems with marijuana: underage use, overuse, and inappropriate use. Kids need to learn to deal with normal reality before they start altering reality. People get too high for the situation or get so involved that their lives center around getting high. People get high at times when they really need to be sober. These are not directly related to any property specific to marijuana. They apply to any intoxicating drug and have to do with the responsibility level of the user.

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