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Liber Tea

Hey mama, and all!

Is this a good enough place to place the link to my copious research on legal (and illegal) herbal cannabis alternatives? If not, where?

Lib

 

40till5

I'm followin ya here, just tell me where you're goin

Liber Tea

Well, I erroneously tried putting this info. on the cultivation threads and am trying to find a place for it. I'm just a sharin' kinda guy

Don't wanna get bumped again , but here's what its all about...

I've decided to make available my hours upon hours of Internet research on herbal substitutes for cannabis. Discovering that ultimate, perfect herb or combination of herbs that mimics cannabis, or what I deem my "holy grail," is and has been my ultimate goal. I'm close, baby! I'm real close!

Be warned, in both files--"herbal substitutes" and "herbs to avoid" there are about 100 pages of text. I've tried to clean it up a bit, but it's pretty rough. Still, it's good info. I've tried to include sources where I could remember them . . . Also, at the end of "herbal substitutes" is a breakdown of what ingredients are in many of those fake pot products out there--easily aquired basic herbs.

Everybody who is into psychotropic herbs has read Gottlieb's "Legal Highs" right? (The bible on this subject) Well, my info. is BETTER--though, of course, not first hand like his most likely was (the absolute head!)

This was the most enjoyable research I've ever done.

I feel that it belongs here because cannabis really should be viewed as one of thousands of medicinal herbs that benefit mankind. It should not be singled out and given too much special attention--this has lead to erroneous assertions that Asa and his ilk love to tout, going back to the ridiculous assumptions that began cannabis prohibition.

Thus, if anyone is interested in other medicinal herbs that are nervines, psychotropics, entheogens, sedatives, etc., go here:

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/hydro/

Regards.
Lib

40till5

Based on my personal experience combined with communications from more experienced users, I'll have to disagree on the way salvia divinorum is classified by you...definetly not an addictive substance, atleast in the traditional sense...actually has a kind of reverse tolerance effect.. and absolutely nothing like marijuana...
I have personally found it to be a very usefull substance even on a spritual level, with implacations and effects that cannot even begin to be comprehended by those who have not experienced them... I fear you may be begining to fall into the same trap that gives marijuana it's social stigma, people who have never used it passing judgement on it.
ever heard the old addage?
"Don't knock it till you try it"
Not trying to tell anyone to try it, I actually feel that most people just plain couldn't handle some of the effects, it can really rock your perception of yourself and the world around you.. But for my own personality, it was a good thing.

40till5

I read it through a little better and it appears maybe you have tried it...although I don't think you quite got it right...It's rather difficult to get the full effects of.. I wouldn't recomend it to a person who wants a buzz while they run a nuclear reactor or anything, however used properly I still would not describe it as dangerous.

 

Liber Tea

Hey 40till thanks for the input. Actually I haven't tried divinorum (and never will). Didn't necessarily categorize it as addictive, just dangerous. This is based on reports in Erowid and other places where effects of psychotropics are posted. One report was that it taps into the dreamstate while the person is awake, forcing their body to stumble around, slobbering, etc, while the mind takes huge journies into some wild situations. Pretty scary stuff man. I mean is there a more horrific scenario in terms of a drug's effect on consciousness? Everywhere there are cautions that a sitter should always be there. Physcially, it probably doesn't do much. Mentally--temporary psychosis.

Actually, my whole categorization is biased, uninformed, and pretty much arbetrary The point is to get the information out on how these substances work on a person, not so much to call them good, evil, or otherwise. I should probably just leave it at that and put it all in on one page rather than separating them. I'd just hate for anyone to half-read through a general book on this stuff and then go pick some belladona from grandma's garden and go comatose after experiencing HELL for several hours.

Hmmm. Almost nothing on there is in my own words, it's all cut and paste. Tried to include sources, but started late on that one. Anyway, will revise. Check back in a few days if you would. Would love to get your thoughts. Hope it was informative at least.

Lib

40till5

oh yes...of course
as with any hallucinagen(sp) someone sober should be around...if not so much a sitter, atleast someone else should be home, even if in another room... the stumbling around really is no more dangerous than too much whisky,I myself came through the state of my first real breakthrough in a pitch black room, which resulted in quite a bit of confused stumbling.. but I wouldn't recomend being allowed to wander through town on very many substances... just a safe enviroment and a little common sense really..like the obstacle of a locked door to force you to use presence of mind to defeat it...you really don't move very far until you're coming out of it.

Mamabudz

Okay here is the problem:

It's a great poece of work, BUT it refers to other herbs other than marijuana, so it is not consistent with this web site; however, it has important information I'd like to be able to refer folks to.

Do you have a web site or perhaps web space where you could publish your work and then I can link it? Is the angelfire site yours? Then I can just link to it and specifically pull out various sctions on cannabis that are apropos of what is being discussed?

Your help is appreciated!

The rules are stringent to keep discussion of non-marijuana related topics off the boards. This topic is one of the grey areas where we must tread between education and unnecessary information. Thanks for understanding.

~ have a cookie

40till5

Mama- had no idea you were a mod over here, now I know where to come for cookies
But has this issue ever been addressed within the administration?
I mean, it's not that it's a non-mj related topic here that poses an issue, we have plenty of that and it's just fine with everyone, it's that it's a discussion of drugs other than mj... But isn't that intended to keep discussions of manufacturing, distro, and use of other illegal drugs off the boards for obvious reasons? Was this really intended to apply to legal substances? I honestly fail to see the difference between this subject and the argument of "tastes great" over "less filling"... I don't think any of uncle sams toes are being stepped on..
Although on a side note, I would hate to be the one to open the door for discussions of DXM and other truly harmful OTC stuff that people like to abuse so much.
thanx for the cookie
40

Liber Tea

There is a a part in the site where I go into the herbs in those so called pot-alternative products that are extensively advertised on the Net (like "Weeed" and "Ecstacy"). The herbs found in these products are also discussed in my encyclopedia.

But yeah guys I totally understand. I'll just stick it on yahoo. I thought about adding some stuff on Cannabis--and did put some basics on there. But this is a far better place to get such info. so I'm really not focused on it.

The point of the research was to delve into the psychotropics, nervines, etc. out there that are pretty much part of native American and other indigenous cultures of the world but that we "cultured" folks have no idea of. I in no way want to promote things like henbane or fly agaric as things humans should ingest. But people do take them, oftentimes with complete ignorance because "some guy said you could get high," and often die or go insane. They should be educated. Then they would hopefully eschew that stuff. But I understand that this isn't the forum for it.

BTW, I made vast improvements last night and will upload them to the site soon. Still have a looooong way to go in even making a dent in learning this field.

Will keep to the topics at hand. Thread dead.

Lib.